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Ryephile 02-07-2012 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 128872)
I agree with what Rye has said too, except only attach a harness to a rollbar or cage please. Adding safety stuff to make you less safe has never computed for me :)

The only rational way to attach harnesses to the chassis would be factory seat-belt hard-points [i.e. lap belt points, which have to be strong per NHTSA crash standards]. I'm not sure how that jives with SCCA/NASA/etc. That means at a minimum the shoulder and sub belts must be tied directly to the roll cage.

Dave-ROR 02-07-2012 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryephile (Post 128877)
The only rational way to attach harnesses to the chassis would be factory seat-belt hard-points [i.e. lap belt points, which have to be strong per NHTSA crash standards]. I'm not sure how that jives with SCCA/NASA/etc. That means at a minimum the shoulder and sub belts must be tied directly to the roll cage.

Having a harness without roll over protection means your head becomes the rollover protection, which makes it a sure bet that your neck will snap...

So my point was use a 5/6 point harness ONLY with a rollbar or rollcage :)

TT allows harnesses without rollover protection but I would never touch that setup. We don't allow it in DEs even.

Ryephile 02-07-2012 12:18 PM

I totally agree with your point!

As I see it:
*completely stock: Airbags, 3-points
*completely race: Roll-cage, race seats, 6-point harnesses, HANS, [window nets, arm tethers]

Homemade WRX 02-07-2012 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kanundrum (Post 128847)
Getting in touch with RCE would be great it sucks they are not local for me.

Um, we're all in MD...but JIC isn't local either and they make crap.

EDIT: RaceComp is 10.8 miles from 'Laurel, MD' via google maps ;)

I'd go with at least RCE Tarmacs. Personally I'd call up Turn In Concepts for AST, I'd call Brian at JRZ or I'd call up Anze.

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Originally Posted by Ryephile (Post 128586)
Well, props to kanundrum for being a trailblazer, that's for sure! If he's got the cash and enthusiasm, let's try to help him on the right path.

Here are the basics for your track toy:
*Gutted interior, SCCA-spec roll cage [or similar], fire suppression system
*proper race seats, 6-point harnesses, HANS, window nets, arm restraints
*Call Goodridge and get stainless brake lines made
*Call Carbotech and get brake pads made
*Swap all the car fluids with Motul, Redline, or equivalent
*Be ready to replace all the rubber suspension and power train mounts with solid, poly, or teflon-lined spherical
*Call Racecomp Engineering and have custom KW Clubsport coil overs made
*Fit strong wheels and Hoosier A6/R6, quality wheel studs

At this point, you'll be able to start developing the car.
FUN!

^^^pretty much what he said BUT Carbotech already makes the pads and DBA mades the upgraded floating rotors for the fronts ;)

As for you wanting a turbo setup, I'd wait and see what class you want to run in, also the the pros and cons of a turbo kit on the motor, as it might not be something you want to dive into on your track toy...that you plan to drive to the track.

Even I, the massive turbo/FI nut, plan on doing an NA build for this platform first, while I work out EM and fueling options in the market. Woot for being a beta tester :)

kanundrum 02-07-2012 02:21 PM

Don't really plan on classes for the most part when it comes to SCCA. As stated before we have our local Autox club I usually roll with. Just have to consider what events Ill go to at summit point. When it came to RCE I was talking about actual setup and not just ordering parts.

Dave-ROR 02-07-2012 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kanundrum (Post 128974)
Don't really plan on classes for the most part when it comes to SCCA. As stated before we have our local Autox club I usually roll with. Just have to consider what events Ill go to at summit point. When it came to RCE I was talking about actual setup and not just ordering parts.

Still makes your point that RCE isn't local incorrect. They are 10 miles from you. JIC isn't close to you.

kanundrum 02-07-2012 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 128992)
Still makes your point that RCE isn't local incorrect. They are 10 miles from you. JIC isn't close to you.

Googled wrong. Had no idea lol. My bad

Captain Snooze 02-07-2012 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryephile (Post 128864)
I would not recommend the Ferodo 2500 pads for track-only work. They're a nice dual-purpose fast street/track touring pad, but they're not in the same league as PF01, Carbotech XP12, Wilwood A, Raybestos ST-43, CL RC6, and other legit track-specific pads.

I would also not recommend any recliner seat for a track-specific build. Ideally, an FIA approved seat that correctly fits the drivers' physique, has lateral head support, of course proper 6-point pass-through holes, bolted directly to the chassis and/or roll cage. Something like a Sparco Pro-ADV.

Everything's a compromise.

I have been using DS2500 in my current car as a dd and for trackdays without issue; admittedly my current car only weighs 1080 kgs with me in the car. I am assuming the pads in the FRS/86 have a larger surface area so can cope with the extra 200kgs. This remains to be seen. I wouldn't be suprised if i do have to upgrade but then increased disc wear may be an issue.

I have a cobra suzuka seat in my current car and it is the best performance mod i have made to the car but it was an issue to get the seat approved for registration and using the standard 3 point seat belt is not ideal. The Misano has been approved to ADR 3 and given it's a recliner makes the use of 3 point belt straight forward.

As i said in my 1st post in this thread this will be my dd. I apologise for going off topic.

regards

Ryephile 02-07-2012 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Snooze (Post 129062)
Everything's a compromise.

I have been using DS2500 in my current car as a dd and for trackdays without issue; admittedly my current car only weighs 1080 kgs with me in the car. I am assuming the pads in the FRS/86 have a larger surface area so can cope with the extra 200kgs. This remains to be seen. I wouldn't be suprised if i do have to upgrade but then increased disc wear may be an issue.

Yes, compromise indeed. The OP did say track-only and barely street legal, which makes mixed-use pads like the DS2500 too street-biased for his application. For your application [DD + occasional HPDE], something like the DS2500 is a good compromise if there's no intent on swapping pads.

Homemade WRX 02-07-2012 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by kanundrum (Post 128995)
Googled wrong. Had no idea lol. My bad

just to let you know, JRZ is in MD too. Brian actually is actually a FSAE alum (UMD) that went into the industry. Actually, so are the guys at ANZE (basically Pensky valving incorporated for strut use and done right :happyanim:)

kanundrum 02-08-2012 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Homemade WRX (Post 129098)
just to let you know, JRZ is in MD too. Brian actually is actually a FSAE alum (UMD) that went into the industry. Actually, so are the guys at ANZE (basically Pensky valving incorporated for strut use and done right :happyanim:)

Awesome will have to hit them up when I am not using my shop ptuning as well.

Nafe 02-08-2012 05:22 AM

Mine will be an almost daily. Keeping it fairly stock is the plan. Full exhaust, headers inc, bit of an intake change, coilovers, swaybars most likely, nice, light weight wheels with good tyres, maybe a better LSD...
WIll be a weekend fun car, possible occasional track fun, bit of wet skidpan... No real drifting planned, and no serious track work. Just sprint days and stuff :)

delongedoug 02-08-2012 11:39 AM

The BRZ will be a replacement for my track oriented (yet still registered) Evo. That's not to say I'm going to prepare the BRZ to the extent my Evo is. I may stop with the track stuff altogether and enjoy having a nice new car with some luxuries, like, say, an interior.

Homemade WRX 02-08-2012 02:27 PM

^^sounds like you just need a truck and trailer

So much nicer once you finally get a tow setup. Currently switch between my bugeye and truck for DD duties whlie the coupe is the toy.
Not sure what'll happen with my bugeye once the BRZ is in the driveway. Then I also have another old GC chassis sitting around with an EG33 under the hood.

delongedoug 02-08-2012 03:12 PM

Except that essentially translates to "buy a house so you can go to the track".

Homemade WRX 02-08-2012 06:44 PM

yeah, because you can get a good used turbo diesel truck for $12k and a basic trailer used for $1500...man, that is one cheap house!

delongedoug 02-08-2012 07:46 PM

And you store these 4 vehicles without a house where...

Tainen 02-08-2012 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by delongedoug (Post 129936)
And you store these 4 vehicles without a house where...


Just change your last name to Hernandez and don't worry about it.

:bellyroll:

(I married a hernandez, hehe)

kanundrum 02-08-2012 11:42 PM

You can live in a car but you can't autocross a house I say. lol

2fast4you 02-08-2012 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by kanundrum (Post 130085)
You can live in a car but you can't autocross a house I say. lol

Can't argue with any of that. :bellyroll:

Homemade WRX 02-09-2012 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by delongedoug (Post 129936)
And you store these 4 vehicles without a house where...

Same way I use to do it, there are these places called storage units/lots :thumbsup:

...but a perk of a house is having your own garage.

BoostJunkie 02-09-2012 09:29 AM

Garage=under a bridge

Sully 02-09-2012 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Homemade WRX (Post 129873)
yeah, because you can get a good used turbo diesel truck for $12k and a basic trailer used for $1500...man, that is one cheap house!

You don't need a turbo diesel to tow a car, an f-150 w/ towing package works fine.:thumbsup:

Homemade WRX 02-09-2012 12:30 PM

Oh I completely agree but did it as overkill. It's also nice to be able to run veggie oil (90 gallons I put in my aux tank for distant tracks) and still get 20 mpg running around in the truck...or 15mpg while rolling with GCVW of 15,000lb at 85 mph :lol:

If you get an old 12V Cummins, 22-24 mpg while towing isn't unheard of.


but yes, a used F150 for $8k will get the job done, no sweat.

kanundrum 04-23-2012 09:48 PM

I was going with another car for a track only spec but came back to this car.

Also got a dealer update saying it will be ready in the upcoming month (potentially) and they can fulfill my order as the region are getting a selected amount and since I was one of the first to put a deposit down I am good to go.


Day 1: Let all my friends drive the car whove been interested
Day 2: Teach my GF how to drive it properly (Manual of course)
Day 3: Rip all the interior out
Day 4: Drop it off for product development at the shop

Spaceywilly 04-23-2012 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Homemade WRX (Post 130121)
Same way I use to do it, there are these places called storage units/lots :thumbsup:

...but a perk of a house is having your own garage.

I'm looking at renting a garage now to store my WRX and work on both cars. My hope was to find something I could rent or buy that also had a garage but that never materialized so I'm hoping to find a cheap garage rental. Unfortunately there don't seem to be too many options out there at the moment.

Exhaust 04-23-2012 11:37 PM

Ive been playing with the idea of making this a track car but want to use it for myself every so once and a while. Just not sure if i want to take the plunge and dedicate it as well as the fact that ive never done it before.

Night Hawk 04-24-2012 12:28 AM

I'm planning on waiting for some kid to lightly total his so I can buy it for dirt. As long as the chassis isn't bent I'm all over it. Then I will swap a 5.0 liter Boss 302 V8 engine as well as the 6 speed transmission from the Boss Mustang. The only thing that will stop me from doing this is if the next generation (2014) Mustang is an even better option as a track car than the FT86. There is a very good possibility that will happen but if not I will so do this.

I would gut the car, widen the wheel base, and do all the other race mods previously mentioned in this thread. Finished product would be 450 bhp 385 lb.-ft and curb weight would be ~2,300…

czar07 04-24-2012 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Night Hawk (Post 190040)
I'm planning on waiting for some kid to lightly total his so I can buy it for dirt. As long as the chassis isn't bent I'm all over it. Then I will swap a 5.0 liter Boss 302 V8 engine as well as the 6 speed transmission from the Boss Mustang. The only thing that will stop me from doing this is if the next generation (2014) Mustang is an even better option as a track car than the FT86. There is a very good possibility that will happen but if not I will so do this.

I would gut the car, widen the wheel base, and do all the other race mods previously mentioned in this thread. Finished product would be 450 bhp 385 lb.-ft and curb weight would be ~2,300…

Supercharged 5.0L please

Night Hawk 04-24-2012 05:13 AM

No sir the best part about the Boss Coyote is all that power, torque, and revs all without the need for forced induction. N/A FTW baby

Turbowned 04-24-2012 01:02 PM

If I had the disposable income, I'd buy two of these cars: An FR-S for track duty, and a BRZ Limited for street. I learned the hard way that race parts are for race cars, not street cars. My MR2 went from a fun street car to an almost-race car and is no longer fun on the street. As such I'll probably turn it into a full track car and keep the BRZ street friendly. I won't cry if I accidentally stuff my 25-yr-old Toyota into a tire barrier, whereas I might if I did it in my brand new Subaru that I need to get me to work the following day...

Any word on a Spec-86 series in the States? I guess it could take a while; they only just announced a spec racing series for the 350Z this year. I think it would be a lot of fun for people with the budget - something different than Spec Miata, and a little higher skill than the B Spec series (Mazda 2, Fiesta, Fit).

Spaceywilly 04-24-2012 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Turbowned (Post 190350)
If I had the disposable income, I'd buy two of these cars: An FR-S for track duty, and a BRZ Limited for street. I learned the hard way that race parts are for race cars, not street cars. My MR2 went from a fun street car to an almost-race car and is no longer fun on the street. As such I'll probably turn it into a full track car and keep the BRZ street friendly. I won't cry if I accidentally stuff my 25-yr-old Toyota into a tire barrier, whereas I might if I did it in my brand new Subaru that I need to get me to work the following day...

Any word on a Spec-86 series in the States? I guess it could take a while; they only just announced a spec racing series for the 350Z this year. I think it would be a lot of fun for people with the budget - something different than Spec Miata, and a little higher skill than the B Spec series (Mazda 2, Fiesta, Fit).

I'm hoping to get a factory five 818 as a track car once I have a place to build it. The BRZ will be a commuter car for me that I can also use to learn RWD dynamics at autox and track days on weekends, skills that I can eventually transfer to the 818. There is a spec racing series for the factory five roadster so hopefully they'll do one for the 818 as well.

Night Hawk 04-24-2012 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Spaceywilly (Post 190359)
I'm hoping to get a factory five 818 as a track car once I have a place to build it. The BRZ will be a commuter car for me that I can also use to learn RWD dynamics at autox and track days on weekends, skills that I can eventually transfer to the 818. There is a spec racing series for the factory five roadster so hopefully they'll do one for the 818 as well.

Yeah this. I can't wait to see what Factory Fives final product will look like!

fatoni 04-24-2012 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Turbowned (Post 190350)
If I had the disposable income, I'd buy two of these cars: An FR-S for track duty, and a BRZ Limited for street. I learned the hard way that race parts are for race cars, not street cars. My MR2 went from a fun street car to an almost-race car and is no longer fun on the street. As such I'll probably turn it into a full track car and keep the BRZ street friendly. I won't cry if I accidentally stuff my 25-yr-old Toyota into a tire barrier, whereas I might if I did it in my brand new Subaru that I need to get me to work the following day...

Any word on a Spec-86 series in the States? I guess it could take a while; they only just announced a spec racing series for the 350Z this year. I think it would be a lot of fun for people with the budget - something different than Spec Miata, and a little higher skill than the B Spec series (Mazda 2, Fiesta, Fit).

I wouldsay the b spec takes more skill since errors are magnified with fwd and less HP


This car wasn't made to be a track car and probably won't be amazing as such but being competitive and being able to drive it home counts for a lot

Droopy 04-24-2012 06:41 PM

mostly stock light mods like intake etc. until the warrenty is up then strip her bare, roll cage, 6pt harness, race seats, sheet metal panels inside, Dokata digital guages, coils, and others i cant think of right now.

track_warrior 04-25-2012 02:32 AM

As soon as i get it this is what will be done:

1-Gutted interior
2-Lightweight battery
3-Custom Cage
4-Racing Seats
5- light weight Rotors & pads + ss lines when available
6-2 sets of RPF1'S with federal racing tires or nt01's
7-Intake
8-Catback
9-Debating on suspension i have to drive it first.

Car will be stored at my garage at a local track im not even going to get insurance or plates.

I wonder if my mods will void my warranty since the only performance mods will be a trd intake & exhaust??

kanundrum 04-25-2012 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by pcasso87 (Post 191033)
As soon as i get it this is what will be done:

1-Gutted interior
2-Lightweight battery
3-Custom Cage
4-Racing Seats
5- light weight Rotors & pads + ss lines when available
6-2 sets of RPF1'S with federal racing tires or nt01's
7-Intake
8-Catback
9-Debating on suspension i have to drive it first.

Car will be stored at my garage at a local track im not even going to get insurance or plates.

I wonder if my mods will void my warranty since the only performance mods will be a trd intake & exhaust??

http://www.fridgemagnet.org.uk/uploa...welles_340.gif

track_warrior 04-25-2012 02:40 AM

I forgot to ad:

-Tow Hooks
-Schroth racing 6 point harness
-Fire suppression system
-Window net
-Arm restraints
-AC Delete

Super curious to know if scion would void my warranty with these mods lol. Showing up with a broken race car on a trailer almost stock engine wise.



Quote:

Originally Posted by pcasso87 (Post 191033)
As soon as i get it this is what will be done:

1-Gutted interior
2-Lightweight battery
3-Custom Cage
4-Racing Seats
5- light weight Rotors & pads + ss lines when available
6-2 sets of RPF1'S with federal racing tires or nt01's
7-Intake
8-Catback
9-Debating on suspension i have to drive it first.

Car will be stored at my garage at a local track im not even going to get insurance or plates.

I wonder if my mods will void my warranty since the only performance mods will be a trd intake & exhaust??


Dimman 04-25-2012 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Spaceywilly (Post 190004)
I'm looking at renting a garage now to store my WRX and work on both cars. My hope was to find something I could rent or buy that also had a garage but that never materialized so I'm hoping to find a cheap garage rental. Unfortunately there don't seem to be too many options out there at the moment.

Not finding a decent garage/workshop that's not ridiculously expensive to rent has been my life for the past 3 months...


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