Track brake pads - front and rear?
 

Just got my Argento 86 and plan on bringing it to an hpde next month. I plan on replacing the brake pads with better ones. Will do a brake fluid flush as well. The pads will be used only on track and will be swapped out after each event. It will be my first time doing hpde's.

My question is, should I buy pads for both front and rear? Or can I get away with just replacing the fronts and using stock ones for the rears?

Also, any recommendations on what pads to use? I'm thinking something from hawk?

Will you be on stock tires?

If yes, I recommend Ferodo DS2500. You can run it on both track and street.

Yeah, I'll stick with the stock tires for at least a few months. Still have to learn the car and how it behaves.

If I use ferodo for both track and street, is can I get away with just the front pads or just replace them both?


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if your staying w/ stock tires theres tons of options and youll hear something different from everyone. good luck.

I also use Ferrodo DS2500's for the street and track and I've been very happy with them. I've been consistently placing 3rd in both the FT86 Cup and 86 Challenge events here in CA as well as daily driving the car using those pads. If you're a highly experienced HPDE driver and are looking for the extra couple seconds or tenths of a second to beat the folks ahead of you, then race pads may be in order but if you're still just learning, the DS2500's will be more than enough to start out with.

As for front and rears, I've been using the DS2500's all around. I've been told by faster folks that you want to use matching compounds on all 4 corners and from my own personal experience, the car feels very good with a full set of DS2500's.

go check out WORKS brake pads

they are engineered for both the street use and the track

---> http://www.86-zn6.com/WORKS-Blue-Brake-Pads_p_65.html

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Still need to get these on the car but this is the setup ill be daily driving and having fun with!

when do you plan on setting up? im interested in how that setup will work for DD.

Shooting for Wednesday! I'm not too sure how the race compounds for the front are going to be (street able or not) but the HPS's are a solid pad! Wanted a good setup for runs and eventually when I can figure out track days and autocross but still be a streetable setup. I'll be sure to fill you in on my impressions of them. I think from the research I've done and just having buddies who continue to buy these for their cars and swear by them they'll be a good setup.

Thanks! Yeah, I'll stick with stock for the meantime.

Great driving! :happy0180: I've been autocrossing and I'm decent at it, but it would be my first time doing HPDE's, so I would probably be ok with the Ferodo. Thanks for the input!

Looks great! Will look into this.

Nice! :happy0180:

I hope you're not recommending this 950* F pad to people that are trying to track. You'll hit that temp doing a single 60-1 panic stop.

Track pads typically have a maximum operating temp of 1500-2000* F.

As always, you want to prep your car for the most extreme condition it will be subjected to, not what it will normally be subjected to. Martial artists train for years for that 2 minute (or less) bout. Our cars have 200hp, but how much time do you actually spend at redline WOT compared to the time you spend in the car?

@oofie: check out this thread for feedback on different pads.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23680

Thanks Mike! So would you recommend having matching front and rear pads? :happy0180:

I used work blue front and rear pads only with motul 600 last track day in infineon raceway ,it works not bad.through out the whole day,only one or two times felt brake fading,but all at the last round of the session. So I think with slotted front rotors should be good. Or may be additional air duct cooler for summer.

That would be enough for me not to use those pads at the track anymore.

motul 600 will not cut it. i use torque with SS lines and no brake fades

next track day @ sonoma, my car will be running FI so ill report back how these brake pads hold

Sounds like you're already overusing those brake pads. Brake fade is not going to be remedied with slotted front rotors. Overworking brake pads and using them above their operating temperature can't be solved with brake ducts either. Brake pads have to handle the temperature spike upon brake application. A spongy pedal means your brake fluid boiled. A solid pedal with reduced braking intensity is pad fade.

Good idea to preserve bias. I usually run more rear bias, but equal pads front and rear should be good too. Running more front pad would be a mistake IMO.

Mike are you on stock calipers and rotors? If so how are they holding up? If not what are you running?

Most definitely! :thumbsup:

As much as I love DS2500's, I wouldn't recommend them on this car for anything other than street use. Even light track work causes them to overheat in my experience. They'd most likely be a lot better if the brakes were 20-30mm larger with a thicker disc.

We're on the AP Racing/Essex Sprint BBK, which we're now also dealers for. Originally, we just purchased the kit for our car, but after extensive use, we elected to become dealers because we liked it so much. We now carry a ton of pads for JUST that kit...

A small sample of those pads. Keep in mind that this pad isn't exactly used on a lot of cars and we still keep them in inventory for our track clients. If we don't have it, we can probably get it as well (We only stock 1 street pad option at the moment):

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I've been running with DS2500's on stock tires. They've been okay for me for a couple laps at full speed, but by lap 3, they start to fade a bit and I have to back off. At my last event, the Ferodos transfered some deposits onto the front rotors which caused a wobble under braking. It went away after a couple weeks of street driving.

The stock tires have been helping to not overheat the brakes (not a huge amount of braking traction). That said, I'll still go with something more aggressive after I these pads are done. I'm thinking about the Project Mu HC800 or just going up to the full on PMu CR pad. I wanted the HC800's originally, but they weren't available when I was getting the car ready for my first track day in February.

I'd probably put the money i'd waste on more pads towards a BBK.

I was considering the AP Racing Spring Kit, but it's too much money for the random track day. I wanted to see how far the stock calipers will go and rotors will go. Did you ever run XP12 or more aggressive pads on the stock calipers and rotors? Did you see any issues?

We were already getting significant hairline fractures on the stock rotors using XP10. At our pace, I would expect to replace pads at the race of 1 set of front rotors per 1 set of front pads.

This is with 215 street tires. Expect faster wear with wider/stickier tires.

I would recommend you go straight to the Club Racers. The HC+800 isn't a large enough step up.

Are the Club Racers street-able? Or would they be too much?

They surprisingly don't squeal that much on the street for a track pad. More like a muted squeal than an ear piercing one like other track pads. However, cold track pads on the street are very abrasive and will wear your rotors faster, so keep that in mind if you are planning on street driving track pads.

The best and most economical solution is to swap pads for street/track. No such thing as best of both worlds...

Once fully bedded and you learn to modulate them for street use, the noise is almost completely gone. You'll get a muted squeak when you first start pressing on the brakes, and when you lift at very low speeds.

It'll pass the girl test :)

I am very happy with the Carbotech XP8 pads I have on my car. I have stock size Kumho Ecsta XS tires. Two full day events with 1 hour session at the end of the day. No fade, minimal noise and my instructors were impressed with the braking of the car.

Just changed them out after this weekends event at Sebring. They aren't bad on the street and the dust is tolerable. Since I don't put a lot of miles on my car, I considered leaving them on. Since I was swapping back to my street wheels, I decided to put the stock pads back in.

Pretty easy job when you just take out the bottom 14mm bolt and swing the calipers up. I do find that the pistons do need to be compressed when I put the stock pads back on. The car only has 5000 miles and the stock pads have little wear.

Thanks orthojoe! Only reason I ask is because sometimes, I won't be able to change out the pads right away. It might have to wait a week or two after each HPDE. I guess if I were to do the Club Racers, I just need to find time to swap it out sooner.

Nah, I don't think it's a big deal to wait 1-2 weeks to swap pads out. No sweat. I wouldn't worry about doing it that way even with the project mu CRs.

A few months? I wouldn't wait that long, just because I don't want to wear away the rotors prematurely.

I did the Mu 800HC, and on one hand they feel great in the street but the layer from bedding is gone so they squeal. Now granted I got fading after 3-4 laps on the track, I really appreciate being able to drive them home and have a wider operating temperature down to freezing temps.

I don't think I would like the trade offs of switching pads all the time, or losing the initial bite by going to a much more agressive pad.

But if you don't care about swapping all the time definitely go with the CRs or Carbotechs.

These were provided by MikeCSG

^Thanks for the input! I'll definitely consider those as track/street use pads. I'm a novice with HPDE's, so I'm pretty sure I wont be able to maximize the Club Racers.

btw, I love your videos :thumbsup:

It's not about maxing out the brake pad based on your skill level, it's about making sure you got a good safety buffer to work with while you're at the track. The most important things at the track besides not throwing oil and coolant on the tarmac are brakes and tires. :thumbup:

I did my first couple of track days on the stock brake pads. They would start to fade after just a few laps. After reading what other folks were trying I went with the CL RC6 pads for my FR-S. I put on only the front pads and then did a two day track event. I was very impressed with their performance and how little dust they generated. They are so good that I was surprised when I put the stock pads back on the car. The only downside I have experienced is a little occasional squealing under light braking on the street.

I've been running hawk hp+ fronts hps rears stop tech lines with ate super blue fluid I've had 2 Laguna seca track days plus regular daily driving in between been satisfied with the braking performance noise/dust will be a bit much for most people.