BRZ/FRS Vs DC2 Integra Type R
 

I've always wondered a bit about this myself, and then earlier today someone over on the S2000 forum made a remark about how the Twins would easily lose to a Type R on a track. I'm of the mind that the BRZ would leave the Type R staring at it's taillights.

-near identical power to weight ratios
-superior weight distribution and CoG for Twins
-superior brakes for twins
-superior gearing for twins (6 speed compared to 5)

I love the ITR but I've autoxed one and feels quite front heavy compared to the Twins IMO.

What do you guys think? :thumbup:

I love theory racing.

The ITR has less drivetrain loss being that it's a FWD vehicle.

Idk maybe we can find lap times @ laguna, willows. Etc. for the type R.and twins. I think the type r will win. Vtec!

I'll settle this on GT5 at the Nuburgring later tonight:bonk:

Can you use B-Spec in time trials? I would think that's the most unbiased test from GT-5 if you don't have any pit inputs.

Stock v. stock? DC2-R. Biggest difference is the DC2-R came with RE010's stock, whereas the BRZ/FRS comes with Primacy HP or Turanza EL400's. That's a big tire difference.

If you equalize the tires, it becomes much closer. DC2-R supposedly ran an 8:43 at the Ring. GT86 on RE050's ran an 8:44, so once you equalize tires, the two cars are pretty much equal. That makes sense given how similar they are on paper.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27061

If you're curious about other Hondas, the fastest stock Ring times recorded by a CTR/EP3 was 8:47, and the S2000 clocked in at 8:39.

8:39 S2000
8:43 DC2-R
8:44 GT86 (RE050A)
8:47 CTR/EP3

Obviously take all that with a grain of salt. Different days, different drivers, etc.

http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/h...ota_ft-86.html

Seems like the gt-86 handles better, and integra barely edges out the gt-86 on the nordschliefe by ~1second (probably due to less drivetrain loss?).

(NOTE: Idk why but its not showing the correct time with the 86, that one is in the damp. In the dry the 86 got 8:44.90 on Nordschliefe, you can see this if you click on the Toyota gt-86 page. I've also seen much faster 1/4 mile times than this, ~14.5 is the fastest I've seen with a relatively stock brz but that's with some minor weight reduction I think, you should be able to get that with the Integra as well so straight line speed I'd say is more of a toss up. See http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/h...ubaru_brz.html)

I'd put my money on the 86 if it wasn't a high speed track. Otherwise, probably the 86 but that's bias ;)

EDIT: After some further research (thanks @DarkSunrise!), it seems these times were with the stickier bridgestone tires. Good to know! I thought these were with the primacy's which would've been much more impressive, but a little unbelievable when you think of it ;)

Are the RE010s really that great? I don't recall them being that impressive for their time, were only V-rated and had a 195 section width. People crap on the BRZ's tires but the Primacy HP's are 20mm wider, have a W speed rating and have a AA 240 tread wear rating.

My understanding is that RE010's were a pretty sticky track/autocross tire in their time. Tire Rack views Dunlop Z1 SS as the closest comparable modern-day tire, which is saying a lot.

http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/f...-civic-si.html

Also worth noting the RE050A's which the GT86 was tested on are pretty mild summer tires.

That's very interesting to know. As to the RE050As I believe a version of them are standard on the 370Z. Honda S2000 AP2 came standard on RE050s (no "A").

What I find amazing is that switching from Primacy HP to RE050A improved the GT86's Ring time by 25 seconds (9:09 --> 8:44). That is astounding. I wonder how much of a difference Z2 SS or Rivals would make.

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Width is not important (to an extent). The compound of the tire is what makes the difference.