I just realized I could google and get the same answer. :bonk:

Thanks for the clarification. Going back a few posts, I remember him mentioning something about the torque steer. He test drove a GenPu last summer, He said he liked the car plenty, but something about it just didn't appeal to him.

We'll all agree its a great car, but its not what he's looking for. The fact that the VT takes regular gas is a big selling point for him, though.

Realistically I'd say just have your dad test drive all the hot hatches he is and isn't interested in. Even if they're slightly out of the price range he's looking for (like the GTI or the cooper)

VeloTurbo
Focus ST
GTI
Mazdaspeed3
Cooper S
WRX shagginwaggon


Do them all, you never know what you'll end up deciding on. Could give you the positives and negatives on all of them but that's every car. There isn't a car on this planet that doesn't have it's handful of issues; just because Group A is experiencing "X" it doesn't mean Group B will also experience "X" they may experience "Y" or nothing at all. It's just like in another thread where someone thought the seats in the ST were awful but I find them amazing. Anyway I'm rambling... just have him drive them :thumbup: lol

I can assure you his consideration has been vast and data-filled. The decision between the two is the result of over 6 months of considerations.

Btw, I shared the thread with him, and he really appreciates and was impressed with the feedback and opinions--said that a lot of what was said here was part of his own internal debate. I wasn't completely correct on his assesment of the GenPu, though--the fact that it had lower MPG and actually REQUIRED premium (apparently the ST does not) pretty much killed the car for him in his considerations.

So, in summary, to those who responded and gave their input:

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instanc...x/35470212.jpg

But after careful consideration, it looks like he will be going with the VT. Feel free to keep commenting or suggesting!

Congratulate him on his new ride for us when he gets it. Oh and post pics :thumbup:

Don't get the matte grey VTurbo unless your dad intends to never drive it outdoors.

VT is still a good car, so if that's what he goes with I'm sure he'll enjoy it.

Curious, did he look at a 500 Abarth?

It is absurd how fun that little thing is. Fun and ugly. Fungly. And I love it for it.

He's a blue fanatic (had that bright blue on the RX-8), so I think he's going with their "Marathon Blue"

Yeah, he did look at the Abarth, but for the price, it wasn't worth it to him. The VT is a better choice than that, IMO

Ford has come a LONG way in the past 6 years...just sayin'.

The Focus is hardly an American car in that the vast majority of its design was done by Ford of Europe.

I agree. My mom had a POS 1998 Windstar as well, she usually keeps cars until they are half in the ground, but couldn't get rid of that thing soon enough. Their build quality has significantly improved since then, especially in the past 5 years.

Had couple bad experiences. Its like food poisoning. If you have it bad the first time you tread water to go back and try it again.


It was how we(family) experienced Ford those years. I don't generally trust them all so much as you can tell. My distrust in the company was reinforced when my friend bought a mustang and his 2nd gear wouldn't grab and he ended up trading it in for another car since he had to keep going in for maintenance and didn't like that.

I've driven both. These were two cars my wife was deciding between and we went with the Focus ST. Much better all around car.

More power, much better handling dynamics, better brakes, better gearbox, nicer interior quality, better fit and finish, more room, more fun to drive. I'll admit the exterior isn't the best in the world, but honestly, neither is the Veloster. It seems to be a love it or hate it thing and no in between.

I say Focus ST no questions asked

Autoblog has a Veloster Turbo as a long-term review car :

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/01/28/2...-introduction/
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/02/25/2...february-2013/
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/04/05/2...bo-march-2013/
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/05/01/2...bo-april-2013/

Hope that might help....I'd go for the ST myself though.