Reverse gear on the first and second gear side
 

I have not seen this before, maybe its a new thing. but this picture shows that the reverse gear is on the first and second gear side not the fifth and sixth gear side.


taken from http://frswonderland.tumblr.com/

A lot of cars have this... I'm not sure if it's for any practical purpose or it's just for the hell of it...


I for one am used to Reverse being on the right side, so i'm sure I will run into a few situations where I lift the lock and go the wrong way...

yea it seems like it'll be a bit of a nuisance for me but o wells have to deal with it haha

It's more practical on the left side. You're going from R to first gear faster.

I agree. I've had cars that had it on both right and left sides of the gates and I prefer on the left. For the reason stated above and for the mere fact that humans naturally find it easier to exert force in torwards their boday than outwards. If the gear box is on the stiff side this helps. I know I'm splitting hairs here. :bonk:

you know i never saw it like that before. it does seem easier on that side, thanks

this is quite common, especially in german cars

my VW had this,

first thin you have to realize is that the H pattern is simply for illustration purposes

your 1st gear motion is identical to any other car

to actually get into reverse, on some cars you have to press the shifter DOWN (it moves about an inch) and make the 1st gear motion, and you're in reverse

in some cars (my friends audi), there is a little ring about 1/2-1" below the shift knob base that you pull UP with your fingers and then make the 1st gear motion.

it sounds complex but it's really not, and in a lot of ways i prefer it this way, and by no means is it a hassle to actually operate.

as to why they did it, i dont have the exact answer but it's along the lines of desinging the gearbox in better way. (less wear? stronger? etc)

thats one nice looking nob

Celica GTS was the same way. I wonder if they're going to make it so you have to push down on the shifter like the S2000. The Celica also beeped when you were in reverse.

The Celica GTS transmission (and the Corolla XRS and Matrix XRS) didnt have lockout protection thats why it beeped. There was no ring to pull up nor did you push it down to get into reverse. You just pushed it harder to the left to get it there. The harder push and the beep was all that was preventing you from a possible misshift and transmission damage. Because of this you could actually shift into Reverse accidentally while moving forward. I actually did it once when i was still a newbie manual driver (I learned stick on that transmission...)....and the beeper was there to remind me i was in reverse and not first (i didnt depress the clutch so it was still engaged, and i avoided damage). Some cars beep as soon as you get into reverse, but its usually just once. The GTS transmission would continuously beep until you were out of reverse.
In the Lotus Elise (Same transmission/engine combo) the shifter had the ring to pull up. I actually felt pretty stupid when i was trying to shove it left into reverse (hitting nothing but gate wall) in that car before realizing i had to pull a ring up to actually get into reverse.

I believe (and you can sorta see it in the picture) the FRS/BRZ/GT86 shifter has the ring to pull up to get into reverse. Theres a noticeable ring 'shelf' under the shift knob and the shifter boot.

This one looks like we'll be lifting the ring to shift it over into reverse. I've seen reverse on both sides of the pattern, it's probably just up to preference of the engineer that designed the gearbox.

My 2012 tc has it like that too. Lift up the reverse lock and slide it to the left of first gear.

Very european. I like it.

That's where its supposed to be!

In my car, I only have 5 speeds, and R is down from 5, so, yeah, it's going to probably take me a little time to get used to R being up and left of 1! :)

^^Yup. It's the same on the new TC. I like the layout in this fashion

Except a proper E30 M3 or anything else with a dog-leg. Old but not forgotten! :happy0180:

damn thats opposite to rx8 :(
haha this is very normal btw. alot of cars have this with a lift lockout or a push down lockout even if they have 5 gears ;)

My Subarus are on the right and my truck is on the left...but my truck has the granny gear below reverse too ;)

Yup, Euro styled. I believe all the Toyota 6 speeds are like this now too.
Even some (or all?) Euro 5 speeds have the reverse next to first, unlike some japanese and american car 5speeds they put reverse where a 6th would be.

But what happens when you have a seventh gear like in the new porsches? (7 gears wtf?? lol).

It goes far right and up i think, next to 5th lol.

Used with my 5 speed gearbox, I tried to reverse in the 6th at a test drive (well, I figured out something was wrong before stopping the engine).
I can't help but wonder, what if someone would try the opposite - go to the "6th" at high speed?

I would assume its going to be like the WRX STi 6-speeds. Pull the ring collar up and shift it into reverse. You can see the ring collar right there on the shifter.

WRX STi shift stick.
http://www.bikes-n-spikes.org/sti/kn...ifter-knob.JPG

BMW does this. I have mistakenly put an M3 into reverse before because I thought the aftermarket shifter was just stiff when I was going for 1st. My G35 was next to 6th gear. My GTOs (and, if I'm not mistaken, all T56/TR6060s) are next to 5th gear.

saw the question and thought "he must be a honda guy"..lol

I noticed on the Scion site, the shifter in their picture does not have a ring collar, just boot to knob.

I wonder if there will be a difference between the two cars? If there can even be that is since its the same tranny..

Mazda 3 is like this... Very simple to operate, you will get used to it instantly

The one on the Scion site is an automatic. :P :)

Great, now I made myself look like a dumbass haha :clap:

Eh. It's no big deal. Honestly, the automatic lever does look a lot like a manual. No harm no foul. :)

I had a '05 G35 6MT and I could swear that the reverse was on the left near 1st. LOL I guess it's been awhile...

^Yeah it's on the right side for G35.

My 2004 Celica GT-S had Reverse it on the upper left. But I always had to muscle against a tough spring in the linkage to jam it in there. Thank you Subaru for giving us a collar ring, thank you. :thumbup:

Ah ok, it's been awhile since I sold the car.

I haven't had a MT car that required a pull on a spring/lever since I took over my older brother's VW Scirocco 16V way back in the day... I personally prefer the BMW method where you have to exert a decent amount of force to get the lever into reverse, but I'm sure I can get used to pulling a spring/lever again. As long as they both work I'm good! :happyanim:

It's more convenient, as long as they have the lockout which appears to be on the shifter there.

if you mean that they accidentally toss it into revers, they can't because there is a cable lock out on them. Some have pull collars and some need for the shifter to be pushed down.

Everyone should just be glad it's not a Dog-Leg 5spd....

This!

Toyota has always had this when they have done 6 speed voxes... very 90s nothing new at all.

This will have a pull colar just like my corolla07 pretty sure STI has a pull colar as well

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How come all I see is a white box???

There's plenty of nice 5MT units out there. I don't see the reason for 6MT elitism. For instance, take the WRX and STI transmissions. Some people break the 5MT, though for the most part you don't see that anymore until higher power levels (~400hp); however, the STI 6MT is nearly indestructible by most accounts. It also weighs a ton more, but what I want to talk about is the ratios. People think 6 gears = low highway cruising RPM. The WRX 5MT and STI 6MT cruise at nearly the same RPM in their terminal gears; the difference is the closeness in ratios between the two. Personally, I find the ratios of the 5MT to be spaced more naturally than the closer geared 6MT.

Like I said though, it's all about the gearing. Take the Charger 5MT unit: some of the worst spacing out there. In fact, from what I saw of the JDM 6MT ratios for the GT86, 5th and 6th gear ratios aren't even really that low. Hell I think the spec sheet showed 6th as 1.000!