The perfect small sedan
 

I was looking around to see what was coming out next year and I notice the Audi A3 sedan looks like a winner. At first I was looking at the 06 A3 hatch but the sedan seems like it will get the 1.8-liter turbo I-4 producing 180 hp and 184 lb-ft of torque and it weights only 2756 lbs and if its priced about the same as the hatch that's out now it would be perfect.

Methinks that's not the quattro version.

From what I've been reading, the one pictured is that weight, which has Quattro.

I'm sure it's a fine car but the big problem with it is that then you're an audi driver :lol:

Read carefully then. It was never said that the weight is X lbs, it's stated as "shaves X lbs relative to current A3". Actual numbers like "2756lbs" are usually made up by journalists, taking the weight of he lightest of the current FWD A3 and subtracting the figure. Quattro is usually referenced as "quattro also available".

Euro A3 with tiny engine and FWD is about 2800lbs. No way in hell a bigger engine and AWD weigh under 200 pounds, so don't bet on it being sub-3000. The current AWD A3 weighs 3400+ lbs, my bet is that the new AWD A3 will be ~3200lbs at least.

I love this car too, S3 has almost 300hp and i think starts at 38k or so. I'll take the regular A3 with 2.0T, quattro, and S-Line exterior and interior.

Weight will be substantially lower than the current model, the 2800 pounds is the FWD with the base engine which is very lightweight.

FUCK I HATE my country sometimes. I just priced out the VERY bottom of the line A3, it's 42K with taxes. :suicide:

why not just get a gti and save five figures?

Wow

Fuck Canada when it comes to vehicles. Seriously I get mad everytime I price out any car

Word

This.

Get a TN visa and work down south. Just don't complain when you get a huge hospital bill (after insurance's contribution) far exceeding the difference in car prices.

Knowing Audi, the $38k S3 will probably have hand-cranked windows or something else making sure nobody actually buys it. I don't expect a livable S3 to cost under $42-$43k before taxes.

For what it's worth, my 2011 A3 hatch weighs a bit over 3200lb with 2.0T, FWD, and manual transmission. The Quattro A3 is not available with a manual transmission, only S-Tronic. I don't think this redesigned A3 sedan is going to weigh less than 3000lb with the 1.8T and Quattro.

Great addition to the lineup

I would expect the cheapest interior of any Audi.

quattro

I'm sure it will have a lot of available packages but to say unlivable is probably a stretch. I'm sure the base would still have a nicer interior than a GTI/GLI.

It's the cheapest car in the lineup so i'm sure it does but if you look at the pics on autoblog both the A3 and S3 have very nice interiors.

Like i said earlier the S3 would be out of my budget, i'd rather get the A3 and do my own stuff to it. I do plan on getting one of these in a couple years.

the quattro in the a3 uses the same haldex system that is in the golf r. its not a good idea to buy the golf r over the gti so i still dont think its a good idea to buy the a3 over the gti.

I love my A4. Even though it has had some minor issues they have all been taken care of by Audi without question.

I like the GTI and the Golf R is a step up. However, the cost to own is ridiculous because of depreciation. The A3 makes it that much worse because they start so much more expensive. Good luck finding a manual without special ordering, and then you're stuck with FWD. They're also heavy. A small car like the A3 should weight 3000lbs with AWD, not 3500. The auto manual transmission is also crap.

So yeah, if you want an A3 or Golf R, get a used GTI. If you want an A4, get a used GLI. If you want an A5, get an FRS. If you want an A6, get a used, low-mileage E60.

I'll probably get shamed right out of this thread because it's not an audi, but the real perfect small sedan is an e36 M3/4/5. You can buy 3-4 for the price of this audi too.

Still... for a new 2013 SEDAN <2900lbs is pretty nice

Until 60k miles, when the window regulators, HVAC screen, left turn signal, stability control, and keyless remote entry fail simultaneously.