SCCA Solo Car Class for the FR-S/BRZ?
 

I'm wondering whether the FR-S/BRZ will go into C stock or not. Wanted to get some other Auto-Xers opinions on this. I know for the first year of a new car, SCCA tends to put the car in a category above what they think it to be competitive in as not to upset the status quo, and as a safety precaution in case it's "punching above it's weight" so to speak. Though it seems like this car really may ride the line between C stock and B stock. For reference, here is the 2011 classification list.

http://moutons.org/sccasolo/Lists/2011/stockc.html

Thoughts?

C or maybe even D, how could it possibly be B?

I cant imagine the powers at be classing this car as B-stock, I just don't see it being as fast as the S2ks and C4 Vettes that are dominating the class.

I can see it mixing it up with the RX-8s, Miatas, 370zs and Solstices in C-Stock.

I really hope that we don't get screwed in classing, but there are a lot of cry babies that unfortunately usually get their way:sigh:

Its C, it ran the in the same class as the S2000 on the Nurburgring

But according to the chart it will most probably be class B or C

C-stock

Definitely C-stock

Lightweight, rear drive cars (with tiny engines). C-stock, home of Miatas and MR2/Ss, and the Solstice, has this car written all over it.

Not to mention the RX-8 is in C-stock

C or D

I guess I was thinking that this car should be competitive in C Stock, but am wondering if for the first year they'll run it in C or if they'll run it in B to see how it does.

That's possible. But the Solstice GXP was in C and got bumped out of it because it was too competitive against the Miatas and MR2s, so I'm thinking they'd rather risk it being in C-stock. I think its low horsepower is what'll keep it in C - if not D stock.

How about the Street Touring classes? I have to run my e36 M3 in STU for the better PAX, but I'm in the same class with STi's with 60+ more hp. The rules are supposed to balance this by giving me wider rubber in the rear (I think up to 285), but since I'm not allowed to modify the bodywork I can't actually get anywhere close to that.

I guess this car is going to be in STX? Or maybe STR?

C-Stock or E-Stock. There's no way the BRZ/FRS will be a front runner against the MS-R Miatas or the Solstice Z0Ks, but I think it would do fairly against the crazy E-Stock folk.

Kinda thinking either STR or STX for Street Touring classing - STX might make more sense since again, this car has weight working against it when going up against the MR2 and Miatas, and has lack of power against it with the S2000

Mitch, you can roll the fenders in STx...so that should buy you a little more room...with the right spacer/wheel/alignment combo that should be good for 265...

CS is my guess for stock. For STx it's between STC, STS, and STR. It'll get obliterated in STS, STC has the "nonsports-car-based" NOC line so it might be excluded from that, leaving STR.

Remember, STX requires 3.1L to 5.1L normally aspirated to fit it's NOC criteria.

Good point, though I maintain it wouldn't be a front runner in STR. It probably won't get slaughtered there either though.

It will probably go in CS, then it would go in the new STC unless it's classified otherwise, which it might be. They could end up putting it in STS. The street touring class kinda depends on how well it takes the allowed modifications.

scca forum discussion
 

Pretty much agree with this.

Here is a link to a fairly long discussion over on the scca forums with stat comparisons, etc.: http://www.sccaforums.com/forums/for...16/scope/posts
(note the early posts are pretty old - the data gets more accurate in the more recent posts)

NA Miatas with a Torsen LSD aren't allowed to play in STS. They get moved to STR. Because of that, I doubt the BRZ/FR-S would be in STS.

good point

My M3 is in STU, but it's the same ST* rules. I can roll my fenders but I can't use a proper fender roller. I'm not about to do that to my car unless I can use the right tool for the job. It's fine, I'm not a hopeful for getting to nationals anyway, but it's still frustrating. "You can run 285 to make up for them having more power, but you can't legally fit 285." It's BS.

And I thought it was just "up to" a certain displacement without a lower limit so they can put cars that are "too competative" into tougher classes. Anyway, I guess you're right about STR. This car is pretty close to being a non-turbo 944.

Great info there, and I think they kind of focus on a point I mentioned. It's better to put it in a class where it won't completely upset everything from the getgo. So to be safe, it might start in CS, and get bumped down to DS. If it's in D stock, it might take over the ITR, and a lot of people would be extremely upset about that - like how the Solstice GXP was crushing Miatas and it was the end of the world for a few short weekends.

This car seemed to be a Miata fighter from day 1. To me, it's a hard top Miata with a Toyota badge on it, which screams CS. But it might get brought down to DS if it's way way way outclassed.

I can't want to see how this car performs over the summer (and to see the official curb weight when it's for sale - a lot of the time Japanese manufacturers will give the dry weight in Japan, so figures of the vehicle's weight that Japanese magazines report could be undervalued a good bit).

This was my concern when I bought my E36. Formulas based on engine size do that - where a 95 M3 is super competitive, and a 97 isn't. :cry:

This car will most likely be slotted in C Stock as others have mentioned. However I don't think people know their Street Touring classes all that well. This car will never be in STR (Street Touring Roadster) hmmm...last time I checked the BRZ/FRS is a 2+2 Coupe haha.

There are some cars in there that aren't roadsters. 350z, datsun 240z 260z 280z, RX-7s and some Porsche's. That said, It still might not fit in that class, but it's probably between it and STX

It looks like it'll be C-stock, too bad.

The new v6 Mustang is D-stock while the new GT is F stock! yikes.

Yes Yes... I know those cars are in that class, but if you read the SCCA rule book on STR (Street Touring Roadster) it states that all cars must be a 2 Seater. Since the FRS/BRZ is a 2+2, it will never be seen in STR, unless the rules change.

Exactly

Explain the 911 being in STR. It's a 2+2 coupe.

A many-time national champ took one of the preproduction models around an autocross course at El Toro a few months back. He says it will end up in STR. In all honesty, I hope it ends up there.

R or X. Doesn't matter to me. ST is where ours will end up whatever the third letter ends up being. I look forward to running in either class!

Unless you leave it stock or want to run in prepared, at which point which stock class is very important. Especially with the provisional road tire groups (hopefully they just ban rcomps from stock classes outright), many won't want to invest the money to be competitive in an ST* class.

STX because they have the RX-8 in there similar power to weight.

or if they expand STF to not just be FWD and i swear yesterday they had 2.0L na subaru in there

If the cars land in CS, I think they can make their presence felt Nationally. They are not BS cars. I don't think they have the HP to compete there. And if they land in DS, then sure I'd love to have a stock class overdog for the few months they allow it to run there.

Our Mini left the house with a new owner two days ago leaving me with a set of 12 run A6's and a set of14ish run V710's. I don't care to walk the R comp path with this car as the 16" tires I am used to buying were right at $1000 per set Vs. a set of 17" RS3's in the mid $500 range.

Sure there is a ton of tuning in order to run competitively on the National level in ST. But, at the end of the day that just makes the car more fun to drive around town! I was fortunate enough to get a co-drive in an STF Mini at the Arkansas Tour last week and that car with it's ST tune was leaps and bounds better than my Stock class Cooper.

Sean