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AX_FRS 01-20-2012 12:27 PM

It will probably go in CS, then it would go in the new STC unless it's classified otherwise, which it might be. They could end up putting it in STS. The street touring class kinda depends on how well it takes the allowed modifications.

jdrxb9 01-20-2012 12:38 PM

scca forum discussion
 
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Originally Posted by ubersoph (Post 117539)
C-Stock or E-Stock. There's no way the BRZ/FRS will be a front runner against the MS-R Miatas or the Solstice Z0K...

Pretty much agree with this.

Here is a link to a fairly long discussion over on the scca forums with stat comparisons, etc.: http://www.sccaforums.com/forums/for...16/scope/posts
(note the early posts are pretty old - the data gets more accurate in the more recent posts)

Grimlock 01-20-2012 12:44 PM

NA Miatas with a Torsen LSD aren't allowed to play in STS. They get moved to STR. Because of that, I doubt the BRZ/FR-S would be in STS.

AX_FRS 01-20-2012 12:47 PM

good point

Mitch 01-20-2012 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by oneday (Post 117540)
Mitch, you can roll the fenders in STx...so that should buy you a little more room...with the right spacer/wheel/alignment combo that should be good for 265...

CS is my guess for stock. For STx it's between STC, STS, and STR. It'll get obliterated in STS, STC has the "nonsports-car-based" NOC line so it might be excluded from that, leaving STR.

Remember, STX requires 3.1L to 5.1L normally aspirated to fit it's NOC criteria.

My M3 is in STU, but it's the same ST* rules. I can roll my fenders but I can't use a proper fender roller. I'm not about to do that to my car unless I can use the right tool for the job. It's fine, I'm not a hopeful for getting to nationals anyway, but it's still frustrating. "You can run 285 to make up for them having more power, but you can't legally fit 285." It's BS.

And I thought it was just "up to" a certain displacement without a lower limit so they can put cars that are "too competative" into tougher classes. Anyway, I guess you're right about STR. This car is pretty close to being a non-turbo 944.

Honesty 01-20-2012 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jdrxb9 (Post 117550)
Pretty much agree with this.

Here is a link to a fairly long discussion over on the scca forums with stat comparisons, etc.: http://www.sccaforums.com/forums/for...16/scope/posts
(note the early posts are pretty old - the data gets more accurate in the more recent posts)

Great info there, and I think they kind of focus on a point I mentioned. It's better to put it in a class where it won't completely upset everything from the getgo. So to be safe, it might start in CS, and get bumped down to DS. If it's in D stock, it might take over the ITR, and a lot of people would be extremely upset about that - like how the Solstice GXP was crushing Miatas and it was the end of the world for a few short weekends.

This car seemed to be a Miata fighter from day 1. To me, it's a hard top Miata with a Toyota badge on it, which screams CS. But it might get brought down to DS if it's way way way outclassed.

I can't want to see how this car performs over the summer (and to see the official curb weight when it's for sale - a lot of the time Japanese manufacturers will give the dry weight in Japan, so figures of the vehicle's weight that Japanese magazines report could be undervalued a good bit).

Honesty 01-20-2012 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mitch (Post 117560)
My M3 is in STU, but it's the same ST* rules. I can roll my fenders but I can't use a proper fender roller. I'm not about to do that to my car unless I can use the right tool for the job. It's fine, I'm not a hopeful for getting to nationals anyway, but it's still frustrating. "You can run 285 to make up for them having more power, but you can't legally fit 285." It's BS.

And I thought it was just "up to" a certain displacement without a lower limit so they can put cars that are "too competative" into tougher classes. Anyway, I guess you're right about STR. This car is pretty close to being a non-turbo 944.

This was my concern when I bought my E36. Formulas based on engine size do that - where a 95 M3 is super competitive, and a 97 isn't. :cry:

kayen 01-20-2012 04:54 PM

This car will most likely be slotted in C Stock as others have mentioned. However I don't think people know their Street Touring classes all that well. This car will never be in STR (Street Touring Roadster) hmmm...last time I checked the BRZ/FRS is a 2+2 Coupe haha.

AX_FRS 01-20-2012 05:20 PM

There are some cars in there that aren't roadsters. 350z, datsun 240z 260z 280z, RX-7s and some Porsche's. That said, It still might not fit in that class, but it's probably between it and STX

Allch Chcar 01-20-2012 05:58 PM

It looks like it'll be C-stock, too bad.

The new v6 Mustang is D-stock while the new GT is F stock! yikes.

kayen 01-22-2012 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by AX_FRS (Post 117709)
There are some cars in there that aren't roadsters. 350z, datsun 240z 260z 280z, RX-7s and some Porsche's. That said, It still might not fit in that class, but it's probably between it and STX

Yes Yes... I know those cars are in that class, but if you read the SCCA rule book on STR (Street Touring Roadster) it states that all cars must be a 2 Seater. Since the FRS/BRZ is a 2+2, it will never be seen in STR, unless the rules change.

UncleFester 06-14-2012 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by kayen (Post 117696)
This car will most likely be slotted in C Stock as others have mentioned. However I don't think people know their Street Touring classes all that well. This car will never be in STR (Street Touring Roadster) hmmm...last time I checked the BRZ/FRS is a 2+2 Coupe haha.

Exactly

MTeator 06-14-2012 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by UncleFester (Post 258763)
Exactly

Explain the 911 being in STR. It's a 2+2 coupe.

Vanguard 06-15-2012 12:23 AM

A many-time national champ took one of the preproduction models around an autocross course at El Toro a few months back. He says it will end up in STR. In all honesty, I hope it ends up there.


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