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DIE1000DEATHS 04-11-2013 02:12 PM

Camber Bolts in Rear
 
I've seen one member make mention of having these bolts in the rear, that they acquired from Perrin. I am interested in this as I don't feel I need the extra hundred dollar Whiteline camber bushings.

Any suspension experts have opinions on using this in the rear? I don't see why it would be any riskier or not useful than using them on the fronts.

wparsons 04-11-2013 02:29 PM

The risk is that they were designed to be used up front and have to be ground down slightly to work in the rear. From what I've seen there's no real risk, but the manufacturers won't support it if you've modified the bolt at all.

TemeCal 04-11-2013 02:50 PM

I've seen a few people running these in the rear:

H&R Camber Bolts

I'm hoping others can chime in, because I'm looking to do it myself. For $50, I wouldn't mind getting a little more camber in the rear.

DIE1000DEATHS 04-11-2013 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by wparsons (Post 857964)
The risk is that they were designed to be used up front and have to be ground down slightly to work in the rear. From what I've seen there's no real risk, but the manufacturers won't support it if you've modified the bolt at all.

I did read he had to remove a few threads to make them fit, which doesn't worry me. I've looked around and notice bolt kits for several other models (WRX, 350/370z) that would incline me to think the manufacturers are just behind on getting bolts out for the twins...

DIE1000DEATHS 04-11-2013 04:21 PM

From the tech at Perrin, the H&R TC112 bolts are the ones you need (but do need modification). I'd imagine the 12mm SPC bolts could work too.

Grip Ronin 04-11-2013 04:32 PM

So were do these install in the rear? Lca I assume

bakerr6 04-11-2013 04:42 PM

They can be used once ground down. From my personal preference, I know I will probably make additional suspension changes in the future, and it makes more sense to spend a few extra dollars to have the extra adjustability.

DIE1000DEATHS 04-11-2013 04:43 PM

Just like a camber bolt would be utilized in the front, in the upper of the two bolts that secure the bottom of the strut/shock.

f0rge 04-11-2013 04:48 PM

i'm interested in this as well, except to remove rear camber.

DIE1000DEATHS 04-11-2013 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by f0rge (Post 858387)
i'm interested in this as well, except to remove rear camber.

That's what I'll be using it for as well. I figured this was an easier, more cost efficient option for me, as opposed to the Whiteline kit. I am not building a track car, but would like to be able to dial in my suspension properly with coilovers.

f0rge 04-11-2013 05:01 PM

If you're so inclined you should do a DIY guide, there's so much misinformation about this that a proper guide would clear up.

bakerr6 04-11-2013 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by f0rge (Post 858441)
If you're so inclined you should do a DIY guide, there's so much misinformation about this that a proper guide would clear up.

A DIY is something I would strongly avoid for this, just for the simple fact that a very important part has to be modified correctly. I would not want anyone to get hurt for modifying an aftermarket part to make it "fit"

grodenglaive 04-11-2013 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DIE1000DEATHS (Post 858368)
Just like a camber bolt would be utilized in the front, in the upper of the two bolts that secure the bottom of the strut/shock.

No, the rear suspension is not a MacPherson strut, we are using the bolt on the lower control arm instead. I just ordered a pair of TC112's - I'll post the install when it comes in if no one beats me to it.

VoiD 04-12-2013 02:21 AM

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this is what needs to be done to the bolts.
It installs on the inner most hole of the control arm.
Not sure how much adjustment this allows but I was able to correct .5- .6 or negative camber which was all I needed.

grodenglaive 05-04-2013 12:35 PM

I just installed the H&R TC112 bolts - the threads did not need to be ground down. The threads rested entirely outside the bolt hole and did not interfere with the cam adjustment. Strange. H&R also makes a shorter 12 mm bolt called TC212; maybe those are what you had, not the 112. Or maybe there are two different LCA that were produced? Beats me.
Anyway, it looks like I got some decent camber out of it.

Original bolt on top - actually the nut would be tightened in about 3 more threads when installed.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8534/8...1896aace_c.jpg

grodenglaive 05-17-2013 07:07 AM

update - just got a wheel alignment done. Rear camber maxed out at -1.3°.
Not a lot of camber with this method, but certainly better than stock. I'll probably upgrade to adjustable lower control arms next year.

OmarGC 05-17-2013 07:17 AM

Isn't stock camber -1 degree?

grodenglaive 05-22-2013 07:16 PM

It varies. I got about half a degree out of the camber bolts. Not too impressive.

86•BRZ 05-27-2013 04:22 AM

If I could add a half degree one side and remove half a degree from the other I'd be happy. This is a much simpler solution for most people as we really need some basic adjustment.
I reckon it's a conspiracy that companies aren't releasing a bolt! -> Forces people to buy arms! Many other cars have this bolt for adjustment. Why is this car different?

86•BRZ 05-27-2013 04:29 AM

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My Pajero has these;
Attachment 38714

GTB/ZR-1 05-29-2013 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 86•BRZ (Post 962025)
My Pajero has these;
Attachment 38714

That would appear it could do the trick--but where to source them???

cnk 05-29-2013 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by GTB/ZR-1 (Post 968610)
That would appear it could do the trick--but where to source them???

Those won't work on the stock arms since the stock arms aren't slotted and don't have the right tabs on either side for them to work correctly. Camber bolts like the ones shown further up will work because they have an oblong section. The one shown above won't because it works by having a slot for the bolt to move in/out and it uses the large disc to press against either a recess or tabs.

FR-Shred 05-07-2015 09:49 PM

resurrecting an old thread.. its better than making a new thread for the same thing so don't bitch! haha

Anyone install the tc112 bolts lately, how are they going? any install tips? they go in the outer most lca slot correct?

thanks

grodenglaive 05-07-2015 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by FR-Shred (Post 2241136)
resurrecting an old thread.. its better than making a new thread for the same thing so don't bitch! haha

Anyone install the tc112 bolts lately, how are they going? any install tips? they go in the outer most lca slot correct?

thanks

For reference, here's a pic of mine (that's the inner most hole btw). Actually, the outer hole should have the same effect, although I don't know if the bolt size is the same.

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8266/...016a7ebd_c.jpg

bfrank1972 05-07-2015 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FR-Shred (Post 2241136)
resurrecting an old thread.. its better than making a new thread for the same thing so don't bitch! haha

Anyone install the tc112 bolts lately, how are they going? any install tips? they go in the outer most lca slot correct?

thanks

Working just fine! Installed mine at the innermost points as well, I think that's where you want to do it. Went in very easy as well, not a huge amount of adjustment but enough to even my rear camber out.

FR-Shred 05-07-2015 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by grodenglaive (Post 2241164)
For reference, here's a pic of mine (that's the inner most hole btw). Actually, the outer hole should have the same effect, although I don't know if the bolt size is the same.

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8266/...016a7ebd_c.jpg

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Originally Posted by bfrank1972 (Post 2241167)
Working just fine! Installed mine at the innermost points as well, I think that's where you want to do it. Went in very easy as well, not a huge amount of adjustment but enough to even my rear camber out.

Thanks guys! I am lowering soon so I just want to be able to even it out if needed. Thanks

Hyper4mance2k 05-08-2015 12:08 PM

Fantastic. These are perfect for people like myself that only need to dial out 1/2* of camber after lowering on springs. There are a ton of threads saying these don't exist for out cars. Oh happy day.

Thanks!

Cope52 05-11-2015 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by grodenglaive (Post 910833)
I just installed the H&R TC112 bolts - the threads did not need to be ground down.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8534/8...1896aace_c.jpg

Are these the same thing, the "triple C". they look different. [ame="http://www.amazon.com/TC112-Triple-Camber-Adjustment-Bolt/dp/B00CBQ6M4O"]Amazon.com: H&R TC112 'Triple C' Camber Adjustment Bolt - Pair: Automotive[/ame]

FR-Shred 05-11-2015 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Cope52 (Post 2244266)
Are these the same thing, the "triple C". they look different. Amazon.com: H&R TC112 'Triple C' Camber Adjustment Bolt - Pair: Automotive

If you look at the picture on amazon with them in the actual package they look more like the one pictured earlier.
Also I would look on eBay cause I got mine for $35.

Cope52 05-12-2015 03:45 PM

I also found these. They only seem to be available from overseas.

http://www.subispeed.com/2013-subaru...g#.VVJKJJMmkuG

FR-Shred 05-12-2015 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cope52 (Post 2246386)
I also found these. They only seem to be available from overseas.

http://www.subispeed.com/2013-subaru...g#.VVJKJJMmkuG

You can get those at a few online shops.. I think ft86speedshop has them even.

CallmeDave 05-12-2015 07:55 PM

So Is this confirmed because it seems way better than paying $200-$600 for arms to fix camber after lowering 1in.

FR-Shred 05-12-2015 09:57 PM

Yes, but like others have said it only adjusts +/- .5 so not a lot but can even out the sides or add a little more if you want.

LCA can add a TON more camber but cost a lot more money. But for a 1" drop you 1. might not even need these bolts. 2. the bolts would work to make sure you're even on both sides.

CallmeDave 05-13-2015 10:23 AM

Would the OEM Crash bolts work just as well? I imagine they would be cheaper.

bfrank1972 05-13-2015 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by CallmeDave (Post 2247477)
Would the OEM Crash bolts work just as well? I imagine they would be cheaper.

No, wrong size, you have to use proper size/strength bolts. Don't cheap out on this, last thing you want is for them to shear and have your lower control arm collapse.


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