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Archetype 04-05-2013 11:40 AM

Going to break top speed world record.
 
Im aware that there have been some videos posted and a few threads as well on this matter but I was wondering if there were any updates on the top speed record for the 86 platform.

I have already seen a video of a car doing 151 but that was a N/A car and I am not.

I plan on breaking this record on a closed course in the near future and Im just asking for information on the current top speed. Please do not respond if you want to tell me the dangers of driving at high speeds.

supramkivtt2jz 04-05-2013 12:24 PM

Driving at high speeds is dangerous.

frslee 04-05-2013 12:37 PM

I don't understand why people want to go for high speed in these cars. Rather than breaking the world record for top speed, break the record for longest sliding or something.

zaptorque 04-05-2013 01:03 PM

DUDE DONT U KNOW DAT IF U DRIVE TOO FAST ITS REALLY BAD AND DANGEROUS?!

WTF SMH LOL

Mandy 04-05-2013 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frslee (Post 843763)
I don't understand why people want to go for high speed in these cars. Rather than breaking the world record for top speed, break the record for longest sliding or something.

The Camaro holds the record for longest drift currently. If I recall correctly.

schlomo 04-05-2013 01:05 PM

I say go for it! It's a closed course right? :w00t:

Don't listen to the nannies

Archetype 04-05-2013 01:06 PM

And I dont understand how the only responses Ive gotten are the responses that I clearly stated that I did not want in my original post.

But to answer your question. Its because it hasnt been done. You can all claim to have bought the car because its superior handling characteristics, or because you are "true" 86 fans, but lets face it, very few of the people on this forum would have bought an 86 back in 86 (if you were old enough to do so). You probably bought the car because you liked the way it looked, or because you enjoyed the idea of a fun and relatively inexpensive sports car that finally had great styling. I get it. I however bought the car because it was a new exciting platform to make power. My original intentions were that if I could not make power with the FA20 then I would find a power plant that would. However, so far the turbo has given me the power that I needed. Now I want to see what it can do. So as per my original request, no more lecturing on what this car was "built" for, or how dangerous or silly it is to want to go fast. Deep down everyone on here wants to shut down the Z owners, or the domestic car owners by saying more than just..."lets take it to a race track and see who wins". You guys dont drive on racetracks to work, but you do drive a car that looks fast...might as well have one that is fast as well.

Mandy 04-05-2013 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archetype (Post 843849)
Deep down everyone on here wants to shut down the Z owners, or the domestic car owners by saying more than just..."lets take it to a race track and see who wins". You guys dont drive on racetracks to work, but you do drive a car that looks fast...might as well have one that is fast as well.

Well, actually my girlfriend was talking about going for a next-gen Z since it's supposed to harken back to the 240's styling, which I love. Personally I'm having too much fun driving to give two shits about what anyone else is doing in their car. If they want to take it to a race track; sure, why not, but I'll make sure it's one with plenty of tight corners and not a lot of straights.

Some people who bought the car do drive the curvy roads to work, or they go out of their way to do so. It is a fast car, it's just not fast in a straight line, and the message that you're missing is that if you wanted to buy a car that went fast in a straight line as it's primary purpose, you bought the wrong car. Why would you go for a 4 cylinder boxer instead of something with a V8/Turbo V6/etc.?

Generally it's the jabronis trying to go fast in a straight line that wreck anyway.

tmcmullins 04-05-2013 01:20 PM

over 9000!

In all honesty I would like to see you break the 170 mark.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhshjDMfcto&feature=related"]FR-S First Dyno and Top Speed - YouTube[/ame]

naikaidriver 04-05-2013 01:21 PM

Only a few posts deep and this thread is already full of FAIL!

Seriously, don't try and dictate to people on the internet what and what not to say in a thread because it only prompts people to do just that! "Don't look down!" sound familiar?

I wish you the best on your top speed endeavors. Be sure to not rely on your speedo because the faster you go, the less accurate it gets. GPS is your friend and will keep the B.S. flag waivers at bay.

Be sure to post full setup and video!

Scott

Archetype 04-05-2013 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mandy (Post 843877)
Well, actually my girlfriend was talking about going for a next-gen Z since it's supposed to harken back to the 240's styling, which I love. Personally I'm having too much fun driving to give two shits about what anyone else is doing in their car. If they want to take it to a race track; sure, why not, but I'll make sure it's one with plenty of tight corners and not a lot of straights.

Some people who bought the car do drive the curvy roads to work, or they go out of their way to do so. It is a fast car, it's just not fast in a straight line, and the message that you're missing is that if you wanted to buy a car that went fast in a straight line as it's primary purpose, you bought the wrong car. Why would you go for a 4 cylinder boxer instead of something with a V8/Turbo V6/etc.?

Generally it's the jabronis trying to go fast in a straight line that wreck anyway.

This is true and to answer that I say why not have both. I'm not talking about a 200mph car here and I'm not talking about dragging the car nor am I talking about destroying its handling characteristics.
I actually came from a 600 whp 03 cobra and I also currently own a 66mm turbo MKIV Supra and I want this to be a car that is respected just as those are. And in my list of kills in the BRZ you will find a Z car and a Mustang GT with intake,exhaust and 3.73 gears.
But besides all that, the modifications ive done have only added to its handling(wider and better tires,adjustable coilovers, roll cage) and now I have the power to accelerate out of a turn even faster. Doesn't stop me from wanting to see what she can do in a straight line.

Chewie4299 04-05-2013 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by naikaidriver (Post 843889)
Only a few posts deep and this thread is already full of FAIL!

Seriously, don't try and dictate to people on the internet what and what not to say in a thread because it only prompts people to do just that! "Don't look down!" sound familiar?

I wish you the best on your top speed endeavors. Be sure to not rely on your speedo because the faster you go, the less accurate it gets. GPS is your friend and will keep the B.S. flag waivers at bay.

Be sure to post full setup and video!

Scott

Constructive post is constructive.




http://allthingsd.com/files/2012/10/...k-feature.jpeg

Had to.

supramkivtt2jz 04-05-2013 01:35 PM

this thread is retarded.

OP: GUYZ WAT IS 86 TOP SPEEED? I FIND IT. I GO FAST NOBUDY TELL ME NOT TOO. I R HAS TURBO AND COILOVRS.

OP's anticipated response: OMG B CARFUL OP. ONE SMALL STEP FOR 86, ONE GIANT LEAP FOR MANKND.

Actual respone: *crickets*

CBR600RR 04-05-2013 01:44 PM

What closed course do you plan to do this on?

naikaidriver 04-05-2013 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CBR600RR (Post 843942)
What closed course do you plan to do this on?

I think you already know the answer to that one...

Scott

marky 04-05-2013 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CBR600RR (Post 843942)
What closed course do you plan to do this on?

A midnight blast on a freeway I assume :burnrubber:
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-74-kFWJTm0&feature=youtube_gdata_player"]SMOKEY NAGATA's MIDNIGHT 200MPH BLAST chapters 1 & 2 - YouTube[/ame]

Captain_Awesome_Pants 04-05-2013 01:54 PM

Me TOO!

http://i.imgur.com/xebL6LF.gif

Archetype 04-05-2013 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by supramkivtt2jz (Post 843922)
this thread is retarded.

OP: GUYZ WAT IS 86 TOP SPEEED? I FIND IT. I GO FAST NOBUDY TELL ME NOT TOO. I R HAS TURBO AND COILOVRS.

OP's anticipated response: OMG B CARFUL OP. ONE SMALL STEP FOR 86, ONE GIANT LEAP FOR MANKND.

Actual respone: *crickets*

If you are going to pretend to be me then use appropriate grammar.
And if you want to talk shit....my 86 vs your 86 and my Supra vs your Supra.
These cars are begging to be modded and pushed and you guys all hate the ones that want to do it.
Henessey did it with the Venom GT....he realized that power to weight is the key so he strapped a Twin Turbo LSX in a lotus based frame....I'd say that's a giant leap for every car enthusiast.
So go play it safe with your warranty and I'll show you what this car can do.
So go hate elsewhere and come up with something more clever next time bc your shit was weak.

n2oinferno 04-05-2013 02:01 PM

Top speed will be dictated by the gearing, as shown above, if you can overcome the drag. Otherwise, time to start changing other stuff.

L3P47 04-05-2013 02:01 PM

If your going to do this man then do it big. I'd shoot for at least 175.

Archetype 04-05-2013 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by n2oinferno (Post 843984)
Top speed will be dictated by the gearing, as shown above, if you can overcome the drag. Otherwise, time to start changing other stuff.

That is true, but there has to be a starting point and as said before, Im fully aware this wont be a 200MPH run here, but just as you get a baseline dyno run when modding your car(as embarassing as the number may be) is necessary.
If we pursue it further then we will change the gearing accordingly but for now we will just stick with the stock gearing.

dsmx17 04-05-2013 02:30 PM

I dont get all the hate for the OP, he wants to see what the top speed is. I would be interested to see where the gear/drag limitation comes into play on a boosted car.

And who cares where he does it? he posted "closed course" so what if its a CYA move or not...

Go for it buddy, break 170!

Ryuu0u 04-05-2013 02:31 PM

Are there trophies for this or is it just for internet pats on the back?

dsmx17 04-05-2013 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryuu0u (Post 844060)
Are there trophies for this or is it just for internet pats on the back?


To set a bar for others to try and surpass.

Without having a goal of going above one another, we move a step closer to communism.

#87 04-05-2013 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marky (Post 843959)
A midnight blast on a freeway I assume :burnrubber:
SMOKEY NAGATA's MIDNIGHT 200MPH BLAST chapters 1 & 2 - YouTube

my mind is so full of fuk . jpg

lol

Skyhound 04-05-2013 02:54 PM

Which land speed record are you looking for? The current holder of fastest production car is the Hennessey Venom GT, clocking in at 265.7 mph. The Bugatti Veyron Super Sport is actually capable of reaching 270 mph, but the actual production model is de-tuned to about 258 mph so the tires don't disintegrate.

The Venom GT is powered by a twin turbocharged 7.0 liter V8, built on a heavily modified Lotus Exige chassis, and is controlled by a number of computer systems that adjust ride height and aerodynamics for the most down force. Hennesey claims that it can actually reach 272 mph, but that they didn't have the actual proper environment to reach that speed. They only had an airport runway to do it on. Bugatti has the luxury of being able to use Volkswagen's private track that is specifically tailored to reach the Veyron's top speed.

So that's what you have to contend with. Of course, if you are modifying your car then you are not eligible for the fastest Production Car record since your car won't be available for the general public to buy. Unless of course you can start your own multi-million dollar car manufacturing company.

Since you would have to modify your car, you would be counted in the general Wheel-driven land speed record. In which case your competition is the Speed Demon streamliner. That is powered by a turbocharged hemi and it is basically a carbon fiber arrow that cuts through the air. It has a top speed of 439.562 mph and was achieved at the Bonneville Salt Flats.

I am not trying to crush your dreams, just trying to be realistic. If you're looking for the Guinness World Record, you have to think of weight, aerodynamics, power, tires, the track, gearing, computers, and even the general climate. All of these factor into generating the most speed and can make or break your attempt. It not only requires determination, but skill and a whooooole lot of money. It might be easier if you're using a different governing body of world records, maybe one that has more specific categories like "Fastest car under X amount of money". Try to find a record that you can actually hit with your resources, or even a personal record.

Though if you're really willing to go all the way, then I suggest making it a long term project that you can slowly invest into and keep up-to-date with the latest advances in automotive technology. Really, the only thing that the twins are equipped with that is in your favor is the lightweight chassis. You have a lot work ahead of you.

naikaidriver 04-05-2013 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skyhound (Post 844117)
Which land speed record are you looking for? The current holder of fastest production car is the Hennessey Venom GT, clocking in at 265.7 mph. The Bugatti Veyron Super Sport is actually capable of reaching 270 mph, but the actual production model is de-tuned to about 258 mph so the tires don't disintegrate.

The Venom GT is powered by a twin turbocharged 7.0 liter V8, built on a heavily modified Lotus Exige chassis, and is controlled by a number of computer systems that adjust ride height and aerodynamics for the most down force. Hennesey claims that it can actually reach 272 mph, but that they didn't have the actual proper environment to reach that speed. They only had an airport runway to do it on. Bugatti has the luxury of being able to use Volkswagen's private track that is specifically tailored to reach the Veyron's top speed.

So that's what you have to contend with. Of course, if you are modifying your car then you are not eligible for the fastest Production Car record since your car won't be available for the general public to buy. Unless of course you can start your own multi-million dollar car manufacturing company.

Since you would have to modify your car, you would be counted in the general Wheel-driven land speed record. In which case your competition is the Speed Demon streamliner. That is powered by a turbocharged hemi and it is basically a carbon fiber arrow that cuts through the air. It has a top speed of 439.562 mph and was achieved at the Bonneville Salt Flats.

I am not trying to crush your dreams, just trying to be realistic. If you're looking for the Guinness World Record, you have to think of weight, aerodynamics, power, tires, the track, gearing, computers, and even the general climate. All of these factor into generating the most speed and can make or break your attempt. It not only requires determination, but skill and a whooooole lot of money. It might be easier if you're using a different governing body of world records, maybe one that has more specific categories like "Fastest car under X amount of money". Try to find a record that you can actually hit with your resources, or even a personal record.

Though if you're really willing to go all the way, then I suggest making it a long term project that you can slowly invest into and keep up-to-date with the latest advances in automotive technology. Really, the only thing that the twins are equipped with that is in your favor is the lightweight chassis. You have a lot work ahead of you.

Nice work on the research but he's only looking to have the fastest 86 so far. Nothing official but bragging rights and academia.

Scott

Skyhound 04-05-2013 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by naikaidriver (Post 844120)
Nice work on the research but he's only looking to have the fastest 86 so far. Nothing official but bragging rights and academia.

Scott

Well damn, I should learn to not skim so much. :lol: Oh well, it still applies just at a much smaller and attainable scale.

Rayme 04-05-2013 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsmx17 (Post 844069)
To set a bar for others to try and surpass.

Without having a goal of going above one another, we move a step closer to communism.

top speed is related to politics? :lol:

dsmx17 04-05-2013 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ottopilot (Post 844154)
top speed is related to politics? :lol:


Sure, you remember the "race" to the moon right?

;)

*Edit* I notice your in Canada, you havent been to the moon yet have you? so that referance may not make sense.

Ryuu0u 04-05-2013 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsmx17 (Post 844069)
To set a bar for others to try and surpass.

Without having a goal of going above one another, we move a step closer to communism.

I guess the appeal of trying to be the fastest in a straight line has lost it's appeal to me over the years. I don't see the point unless you're competing against cars that would normally trample a stock FRS/BRZ. A fastest drag/track time board would be kind of cool though. Either way good luck.

SkitterSkotter 04-05-2013 03:17 PM

Actually this car would be better suited than most in achieving a high top speed. It's drag cd is quite low, I believe it's in the neighborhood of .27 depending on the spoiler, underbody work. If I were you I would install a front splitter, lower it, get a custom diffuser made and realize that as you increase speed your resistance is cubed so you will need some serious hp. Lowering it will give you more downforce, less air resistance, and perhaps add some stability.

Rayme 04-05-2013 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsmx17 (Post 844170)
Sure, you remember the "race" to the moon right?

;)

*Edit* I notice your in Canada, you havent been to the moon yet have you? so that referance may not make sense.

I beleive humans went on the moon, not Americans.:)

dsmx17 04-05-2013 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryuu0u (Post 844173)
I guess the appeal of trying to be the fastest in a straight line has lost it's appeal to me over the years. I don't see the point unless you're competing against cars that would normally trample a stock FRS/BRZ. A fastest drag/track time board would be kind of cool though. Either way good luck.


Agreed, I just like playing devils advocate. (plus I have a drag car for that sort of non-sense)

D4S 04-05-2013 03:29 PM

I'd personally go for the best handling 86 (i.e. pulling the most G's, or drifting) but go for it! Are engine swaps out?

bestwheelbase 04-05-2013 03:52 PM

@Archetype check out http://www.ecta-lsr.com/ and http://www.texasmile.net/

You could be the first 86 to hit 200mph in the standing mile!

Archetype 04-05-2013 03:59 PM

Yeah I stated earlier that I'm not expecting 200+ mph speeds in the car. I used Henessey as an example bc had he posted in the Lotus forums "I want to put a V8 in the Exige" he would have had similar responses.
I just want to see what my car will do. Since its almost double the HP then it should be faster than the stock videos posted. It may not be right away bc I am about to be deployed for a few months but I just wanted some help finding out what people have seen/done with these cars.
Engine swaps aren't out but I've made good power with the stock motor by adding boost so for now ill just build it to take more boost. But if you are interested in what motors I've considered then its a choice of only 3. 2JZ GTE,LSX, and EJ25 in that order. Can't wait to hear the responses on that, haha.

Archetype 04-05-2013 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bestwheelbase (Post 844270)
@Archetype check out http://www.ecta-lsr.com/ and http://www.texasmile.net/

You could be the first 86 to hit 200mph in the standing mile!

Would be awesome and a goal to be considered but it is a lofty one. Right now I just want to be the guy that takes it to the limits on video and gives all 86 owners something to brag about.

bestwheelbase 04-05-2013 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archetype (Post 844308)
Would be awesome and a goal to be considered but it is a lofty one. Right now I just want to be the guy that takes it to the limits on video and gives all 86 owners something to brag about.

Everybody to the limit! Everybody come on fhqwhgads! /Strongbad :D

Have fun and be safe!

Allch Chcar 04-05-2013 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkitterSkotter (Post 844174)
Actually this car would be better suited than most in achieving a high top speed. It's drag cd is quite low, ...

"Aerodynamics are for people who can't build engines."


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