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laxfogo 03-31-2013 11:43 PM

BRZ- Lemon?
 
Stock everything, 3082 miles automatic. Been slowly having more issues ever since the first 400 miles.

I'm having issues with the passenger side window, sometimes I would have to press it real hard and hold it for a second or the it won't auto go up/down.

Takes a long time to start in cold mornings.

Condensation in the rear lights sometimes also.

Also there is a lot of wind noise when driving on the highway, and the car have some sort of rattling noises.

Sometimes when I turn off the car, I heard metal clanking noises like someone is throwing rocks against the car.

Yesterday while I was on the highway doing 63, the TPS light came on I stopped and checked the tires, it wasn't flat only a little lower, I drove 5 miles and got off the exit and I heard a loud pop and I rolled to the nearest gas station about a quarter mile away and this is what happened.

http://puu.sh/2r1KB/8c2e860335
http://puu.sh/2r1KX/d91bfa61e8

Could I possibly have a case for a Lemon?

I know warranty doesn't cover tires, but this is clearly a defect in the stock tires or whatever is causing the heating issues in the blowout.

Apoc 04-01-2013 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by laxfogo (Post 832146)
Stock everything, 3082 miles automatic. Been slowly having more issues ever since the first 400 miles.

I'm having issues with the passenger side window, sometimes I would have to press it real hard and hold it for a second or the it won't auto go up/down.

Takes a long time to start in cold mornings.

Condensation in the rear lights sometimes also.

Also there is a lot of wind noise when driving on the highway, and the car have some sort of rattling noises.

Sometimes when I turn off the car, I heard metal clanking noises like someone is throwing rocks against the car.

Yesterday while I was on the highway doing 63, the TPS light came on I stopped and checked the tires, it wasn't flat only a little lower, I drove 5 miles and got off the exit and I heard a loud pop and I rolled to the nearest gas station about a quarter mile away and this is what happened.

http://puu.sh/2r1KB/8c2e860335
http://puu.sh/2r1KX/d91bfa61e8

Could I possibly have a case for a Lemon?

I know warranty doesn't cover tires, but this is clearly a defect in the stock tires or whatever is causing the heating issues in the blowout.

You may need to read up on lemon laws. When you drive 5 miles on a nearly flat tire it causes friction and it will shred like that.

dem00n 04-01-2013 12:06 AM

The engine making that popping noise is normal after you turn it off.

The Condensation is fixed with some thicker foam gaskets.

The passenger window is a problem we all have. Some people don't even notice it.

Wind noise is normal, rattling is normal as well on a lot of cars. Mostly the plastic on the doors or vibration from speakers, etc.

When you say it takes a long time to start, is it sputtering or is the starter taking a while? More then 2 seconds?

That tire? I don't even know.


All i can tell you is that if you somehow lemon your car and buy another one, its going to have most of those problems.

Ozzman 04-01-2013 12:19 AM

You ran the tire without enough tire pressure, heat built up and the tire failed. Any tire will do that. That was most definitely not a defect of any sort, just the result of a puncture causing loss of air and the typical attitude of American drivers to ignore warning signs and think everything will be fine.

Keep a pressure gauge with you and if the light suddenly comes on and one tire is significantly lower in pressure than the rest of them install the spare and get the leaking tire fixed.

laxfogo 04-01-2013 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dem00n (Post 832186)
When you say it takes a long time to start, is it sputtering or is the starter taking a while? More then 2 seconds?

Sputtering, yes like 3-5 seconds on a cold morning to start

dem00n 04-01-2013 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by laxfogo (Post 832226)
Sputtering, yes like 3-5 seconds on a cold morning to start

Try to do this:

When I remember to wait at the ACC position on the key, it fires up everytime. If I just turn the key, I may get the delayed start or no start.

Might help, might not.

EAGLE5 04-01-2013 12:28 AM

The hard start and window are legit beefs to take to the dealer. How cold are your mornings?

The tire can fall apart like that if you run on it flat. The sounds while turning are rocks and gravel hitting the car's sheet metal.

Now if they can't fix the window and cold start, complain.

laxfogo 04-01-2013 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dem00n (Post 832231)
Try to do this:

When I remember to wait at the ACC position on the key, it fires up everytime. If I just turn the key, I may get the delayed start or no start.

Might help, might not.

I have push start.

But does this look like I have to just eat this and buy replacement tires?

You have any recommendation for 225 40 18 tires?

laxfogo 04-01-2013 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsimon7777 (Post 832239)
The hard start and window are legit beefs to take to the dealer. How cold are your mornings?

The tire can fall apart like that if you run on it flat. The sounds while turning are rocks and gravel hitting the car's sheet metal.

Now if they can't fix the window and cold start, complain.

Nothing too crazy, maybe 20-30 degrees last month.

jeebus 04-01-2013 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by laxfogo (Post 832240)
I have push start.

But does this look like I have to just eat this and buy replacement tires?

You have any recommendation for 225 40 18 tires?

I think you are going to eat this because you caused the tire to blow. When you say, "it was only a little low", did you actually check the pressure or was it a visual check?

Subie 04-01-2013 12:44 AM

The window switch issue supposedly has been addressed with a new window switch assembly. My dealer wouldn't give me the part number the last time I called but supposedly it's on order for my car. http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30560

Coheed 04-01-2013 01:12 AM

3000+ miles on stock tires! Those look practically new! I wish I had your resolve! My stock tires are worn out at 4k miles.

... Must be all those trips in the morning to get fresh milk...

DBacon1052 04-01-2013 01:29 AM

All of your problems are minor. I don't think lemon is having multiple problems but having recurring issues. The rattling condensation have been experienced with many members. The metal clanking you're hear is probably just the exhaust cooling down. Cold weather will set off the tire pressure gauge and sometimes my car would take a couple seconds to start up too.

suaveflooder 04-01-2013 02:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coheed (Post 832312)
3000+ miles on stock tires! Those look practically new! I wish I had your resolve! My stock tires are worn out at 4k miles.

... Must be all those trips in the morning to get fresh milk...

:party0030::burnrubber::party0030:

EAGLE5 04-01-2013 03:42 AM

You might have a weak battery. Cold mornings would make it apparent. Try a battery tender or block heater. You're on your own for the tire. I'd get a stock one until the rest are worn. Then I'd switch to Michelin super sports.

laxfogo 04-01-2013 03:56 AM

Ok thank you guys, I'll just eat this one.

Snowblind 04-01-2013 08:19 AM

Sounds like the biggest problem with the car is that they put a transmission in it that shifts itself.

dem00n 04-01-2013 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snowblind (Post 832678)
Sounds like the biggest problem with the car is that they put a transmission in it that shifts itself.

Hey, look at the tough guy here shifting 200HP.

I'm sure when you drop into 2nd you get a real adrealine rush!

Don't be a douche nozzle, you'll only make your self look worse.

chenshuo 04-01-2013 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by laxfogo (Post 832146)
I'm having issues with the passenger side window, sometimes I would have to press it real hard and hold it for a second or the it won't auto go up/down.

Takes a long time to start in cold mornings.

Condensation in the rear lights sometimes also.

Also there is a lot of wind noise when driving on the highway, and the car have some sort of rattling noises.

Sometimes when I turn off the car, I heard metal clanking noises like someone is throwing rocks against the car.

Yesterday while I was on the highway doing 63, the TPS light came on I stopped and checked the tires, it wasn't flat only a little lower, I drove 5 miles and got off the exit and I heard a loud pop and I rolled to the nearest gas station about a quarter mile away and this is what happened.

Could I possibly have a case for a Lemon?

I know warranty doesn't cover tires, but this is clearly a defect in the stock tires or whatever is causing the heating issues in the blowout.

Window: i remember someone posted on this forum saying that cars made after October/November last year have a new switch. When did you get your car? You can take it to the dealer to get it replaced for a new part.

Start the car: i had this issue twice, but then i realized that if i hold the push button for 1-2 full seconds then release it, then i don't have hard time starting the car.

Condensation: i don't have that.

Metal clanking noise: completely normal. That happens when the engine is cooling down. Happens on every single car i owned.

TPMS: Your BRZ has TPMS? Mine doesn't.

Tire: It's gonna be hard to convince the dealer that the tire problem is not your fault.

chenshuo 04-01-2013 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snowblind (Post 832678)
Sounds like the biggest problem with the car is that they put a transmission in it that shifts itself.

wow you have the ability to shift a stick! You must be really smart and really cool!

Beyer Subaru 04-01-2013 02:38 PM

The tire warranties are generally for the first useable 2/32" of tread depth or 12 months which ever comes first.

Welcome to a first year car. There are going to be hiccups in any first model year and we are the lucky ones that get to work through them.

Lemon Laws usually require a problem to render the vehicle immobile or unuseable after multiple attempts at fixing the same problem.

ST185RC 04-01-2013 02:41 PM

My rule of thumb: Take 30 seconds every fill up to check the tire pressure. I fill up every two weeks and tires need to be topped off every month and a half to two months.

Check under your hood, anything that is yellow are things you can check yourself and takes at most a minute to check everything. All the clear resevoirs have an indicator so most things can be visually checked. Pull out the dipstick, wipe, replace and pull out to check oil levels after you've stopped the car and let it cool down for 10 minutes. Coolant has a cold and hot indicator i believe, fill it up to what the status of your car is. It's not rocket science really.

Do these things to minimize chances of failures. When you have done your due dilligence to reasonably maintain the car, then you have an issue that you can bring up with the dealer and you have a case to argue if you've done everything you could. If you neglect doing things yourself, you are most certainly shit out of luck with any service department.

I just find it funny when preventable things could have been done but aren't and suddenly law this and law that start flying everywhere.

SVThis 04-04-2013 10:47 PM

As far as the tire goes it was run with low pressure. So in the words of Michael Jackson

Just Eat It, Eat It, Eat It, Eat It
No One Wants To Be Defeated
Showin' How Funky Strong Is Your Fight
It Doesn't Matter Who's Wrong Or Right
Just Eat It, Eat It
Just Eat It, Eat It
Just Eat It, Eat It
Just Eat It, Eat It

foxhu 04-04-2013 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ST185RC (Post 833444)
My rule of thumb: Take 30 seconds every fill up to check the tire pressure. I fill up every two weeks and tires need to be topped off every month and a half to two months.

Check under your hood, anything that is yellow are things you can check yourself and takes at most a minute to check everything. All the clear resevoirs have an indicator so most things can be visually checked. Pull out the dipstick, wipe, replace and pull out to check oil levels after you've stopped the car and let it cool down for 10 minutes. Coolant has a cold and hot indicator i believe, fill it up to what the status of your car is. It's not rocket science really.

Do these things to minimize chances of failures. When you have done your due dilligence to reasonably maintain the car, then you have an issue that you can bring up with the dealer and you have a case to argue if you've done everything you could. If you neglect doing things yourself, you are most certainly shit out of luck with any service department.

I just find it funny when preventable things could have been done but aren't and suddenly law this and law that start flying everywhere.

Hey welcome to america ^^ lawsuit lawsuit lawsuit!@!@!!

kioton32 04-05-2013 06:15 PM

The lemon law comes into effect if the dealership has to repair or replace the same component 3 times in the first 3 years of the vehicles life... Or first year on the case of a used vehicle... For example... If the starter goes out after 3 months and they replace it and
6 months later it goes out a second time they replace it again... If it happens again in the next 2 years the lemon law comes into effect... Most dealerships are nice about it... Especially Toyota... They will most likely end up giving you a brand new car at that point... I hope this helps clarify to anyone the understanding of the lemon law.


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