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kanundrum 03-26-2013 05:32 PM

KW Clubsports Review
 
Reviewing the KW Clubsports for those who are thinking about them or @Racecomp Engineering Tarmac 2's which are based on the KW's

Lets break this down into the following

Installation: Straight Foward, I could have installed it my self since the units come in 1 piece and its a swap out, but I decided to get everything done all at once and get it aligned/corner balanced at the same time. Thanks to @ptuning for all of the install/alignment/corner balance work

Stock Alignment (Nothing added on) I was able to get -3 in the front and -2 in the rear.

Corner Balance Numbers goes as follows:

Corner balancing w/ 215 ballast:

TOTAL WEIGHT w/ BALLAST = 2922

BEFORE:
LF = 867
RF = 780
LR = 660
RR = 615
CROSS % = 49.28

AFTER:
LF = 856
RF = 789
LR = 671
RR = 604
CROSS % = 50.00



Daily Driving Comfort: I would say these are a small percentage harsher than the Stock setup on certain surfaces. Essentially you have a bump or 2 here or there you will feel if you don't slow down but anything big and you will definitely feel it. Also any valleys or hills in the road that go on for a while will result in the car really transferring the feeling back to you and almost make you a bit dizzy nauseous if they go on for a while (Normal people).

According to KW the rates are 340/400 with RCE's tarmacs being a bit more rough so take that for what its worth when it comes to daily driving

Handling: Cars has 255/40/17 Direzza ZII tires with 17 x 9 Enkei RPF1's 45 offset. It rubs the splash shield at full lock. Car feels like its riding on rails, I have not gotten the rear end to break loose at all yet but I will be fully testing this out at auto crossing in the next 20 days or do.

Drop: Only dropped it functionally minimally as most of the lots we race in have lots of hills and valleys in the pavement and I really don't need anything scraping underneath. I would say drop is about .75 inches


I think thats it? Not sure any questions. DC Streets are tough and its not too bothersome

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GTM_Challenge 03-26-2013 05:37 PM

Thanks for the review. We will be putting these on our shop car in the next week or so.

*edit* Just curious where you heard the spring rates were 340/400. I had heard the same thing, and that the V3s were softer than that, but RCE and a few others pointed out that I had most likely been told wrong by KW. This just has me curious.

Mr.Jay 03-26-2013 06:02 PM

must resist urge to drop 2K+ on suspension...

kanundrum 03-26-2013 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTM_Challenge (Post 819886)
Thanks for the review. We will be putting these on our shop car in the next week or so.

*edit* Just curious where you heard the spring rates were 340/400. I had heard the same thing, and that the V3s were softer than that, but RCE and a few others pointed out that I had most likely been told wrong by KW. This just has me curious.

Called KW up this morning and asked.

GTM_Challenge 03-26-2013 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Jay (Post 819943)
must resist urge to drop 2K+ on suspension...

Completely worth it from our experience in the M3, S2000, and Miata markets. :bellyroll:

fender9530 03-26-2013 06:05 PM

Car looks fantastic. Thanks for the review.

GTM_Challenge 03-26-2013 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kanundrum (Post 819950)
Called KW up this morning and asked.

Gotcha. Yeah, I've called multiple times and the 340/400 is what everyone has told me. It seems as though early V3s have the same rates, or there is a break down in communication somewhere. Now I'm very, very curious.

kanundrum 03-26-2013 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTM_Challenge (Post 819960)
Gotcha. Yeah, I've called multiple times and the 340/400 is what everyone has told me. It seems as though early V3s have the same rates, or there is a break down in communication somewhere. Now I'm very, very curious.


Very weird Ill see if I can investigate further

Mr.Jay 03-26-2013 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTM_Challenge (Post 819951)
Completely worth it from our experience in the M3, S2000, and Miata markets. :bellyroll:

I agree! I was very very close to throwing done on some RCE Tarmacs but now I'm going to test out the stock suspension and decide what fits my needs the most closer to end of year

being broke and on this forum is a bad thing haha

:happy0180:

JoeBoxer 03-27-2013 01:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Jay (Post 819971)

being broke and on this forum is a bad thing haha

:happy0180:

Very true but guess who is staying? Broke or not i'll make it though its only money!

kanundrum 03-28-2013 01:31 PM

Did some Sharp High speed turns and crap does this thing grip :) Can't wait for High Speed Autocross coming up soon

kanundrum 04-07-2013 11:16 PM

Just came back from about 400 Miles of driving and So far its pretty good. Comfy at cruise speeds hard hits from potholes can be a bit bothersome but not too back.

The worst part is a series of hills/valleys on the roads from uneven pavement that goes on and on. It will make you a bit queezy even for those who have tough stomachs.

Staf00 04-29-2013 02:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTM_Challenge (Post 819960)
Gotcha. Yeah, I've called multiple times and the 340/400 is what everyone has told me. It seems as though early V3s have the same rates, or there is a break down in communication somewhere. Now I'm very, very curious.

If the Clubsports are 340/400...then wut are the spring rates on the V3s?

jdzumwalt 05-01-2013 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Staf00 (Post 898211)
If the Clubsports are 340/400...then wut are the spring rates on the V3s?

same springs


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