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FullBlown 03-19-2013 04:56 PM

FBM 8.8 IRS Rear Diff Conversion
 
We designed a conversion kit to put a ford 8.8 IRS into the FRS/BRZ. This is the same setup we used in many fast S2000's around the world.

We chose this option again, because there are tons of gear rations to Pick from.

Our kit will come complete with Driveshaft shop axles, drive shaft, studs, hubs, the whole works.

Pricing TBA

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Silverdub 03-19-2013 04:57 PM

how much heavier it it? i know it probably doesnt matter since most people buying this are pushing like 55psi with one gazillion horsepower, but just wondering

FullBlown 03-19-2013 05:01 PM

I'll get the final weight difference, a little extra weight on the rear tires is a good thing :)

Pure Automotive 03-19-2013 05:02 PM

Can't wait to test it!

Tansey86 03-19-2013 05:18 PM

Holy shit you guys do everything.

SmsAlSuwaidi 03-19-2013 05:30 PM

WOW full-blown are dominating !

i also assume you're another step closer to running that frs into 9's

Dipstik-sportech 03-19-2013 05:44 PM

You guys are really making it hard for me to save any money for a house lol. Props to you guys for releasing so many top quality parts so fast for these cars.

naikaidriver 03-19-2013 05:47 PM

Seriously! Are you guys building a Pro Street FR-S?

Between your dyno numbers and this rear-end integration, I'm starting to think you are building with a purpose in mind! Sub-10 second FR-S maybe?

Scott

FullBlown 03-19-2013 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by naikaidriver (Post 803962)
Seriously! Are you guys building a Pro Street FR-S?

Between your dyno numbers and this rear-end integration, I'm starting to think you are building with a purpose in mind! Sub-10 second FR-S maybe?

Scott

Not sure what we are doing yet :)


Quote:

Originally Posted by Dipstik-sportech (Post 803954)
You guys are really making it hard for me to save any money for a house lol. Props to you guys for releasing so many top quality parts so fast for these cars.

LOL, we want to go out and have some fun this year.

Draco-REX 03-19-2013 06:26 PM

You missed a bolt...

FullBlown 03-19-2013 06:33 PM

LOL, yes it was just for mock up.

Calum 03-19-2013 06:36 PM

Does this mean you've found a need for this part? Yes, I'm asking if you blew up the stocker.

Pete 03-19-2013 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tansey86 (Post 803885)
Holy shit you guys do everything.

They seriously are not F***ing around. I love these guys. They regularly give me something to bore my co-workers with. (co-workers are not car people)

FullBlown 03-19-2013 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calum (Post 804088)
Does this mean you've found a need for this part? Yes, I'm asking if you blew up the stocker.

No, but the stubs going into the diff will only allow for a certain diameter axle. Also the ring and pinion is pretty small.

However, we did find tons of shavings every time we tore the cover off the OEM diff. The stock unit probably would of lasted, but we did not want to invest a ton of money in to the axles, drive shaft ect.. just to find out if it will break.

The main advantage to this swap is the gear ratio options . All of which are under $200 a set.

3.08:1
3.27:1
3.55:1
3.73:1
3.90:1
4.10:1
4.30:1

buditjoenawan 03-19-2013 07:03 PM

Giant respect guys. Now that you've solidified axles, rear end, and prop shaft, when will we see a bell housing conversion for GForce transmissions!

-budi

Tansey86 03-19-2013 07:06 PM

I smell a 3k price tag on this. Not like it will stop me.

FullBlown 03-19-2013 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tansey86 (Post 804147)
I smell a 3k price tag on this. Not like it will stop me.

We're not sure but the drive shaft and axles won't be cheap.

mact 03-19-2013 08:02 PM

+1 for the nice choice of gear ratios. IMO, the factory 1st gear is a bit too short.

Huehuecoyotl 03-19-2013 08:07 PM

sub'd

NomoreNA 03-19-2013 08:09 PM

This makes me nervous I can't tell you how many IRS units my kb cobra destroyed before I finally gave in and went SRA. I was also around 800rwtq though

mact 03-19-2013 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NomoreNA (Post 804302)
This makes me nervous I can't tell you how many IRS units my kb cobra destroyed before I finally gave in and went SRA. I was also around 800rwtq though

Is the Ford 8.8 from an 03-04 Cobra? I don't think there will be too many of us seeing 800wtq. The choices in gear ratios makes me happy though.

EZWood 03-19-2013 08:34 PM

8.8 does arb make a locker for this. :bellyroll: jk

Huehuecoyotl 03-19-2013 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EZWood (Post 804360)
8.8 does arb make a locker for this. :bellyroll: jk

what must that be like???LOL

NomoreNA 03-19-2013 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mact (Post 804321)
Is the Ford 8.8 from an 03-04 Cobra? I don't think there will be too many of us seeing 800wtq. The choices in gear ratios makes me happy though.


It was available in other models, but yes it was also in the 03/04.

zohare 03-19-2013 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete (Post 804131)
They seriously are not F***ing around. I love these guys. They regularly give me something to bore my co-workers with. (co-workers are not car people)

Bwahaha we need to work together because my co workers are... well. Not abnormally obsessed with cars

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Draco-REX 03-19-2013 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl (Post 804480)
what must that be like???LOL

CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK, GOODBYE! :burnrubber:

zooki 03-19-2013 10:20 PM

Is there any way to build the preload adjusters for the diff caps(I can't remember what it's called
exactly) into this? If your pushing enough horsepower to need an 8.8 you'll probably need to keep the caps from walking.

EZWood 03-19-2013 11:26 PM

With an 8.8 if they are anything like the solid axle 8.8's there is a common problem with the ring gear coming loose. It's all over the jeep forums. Just something to think about. Gem- I forget who makes it, but there is a locker for the 8.8 that is a limited slip/e-locker combo. That would be interesting for a road course.

Do Boy 03-19-2013 11:27 PM

Shut up and take my money!

FullBlown 03-20-2013 12:24 AM

We've used this setup in many s2k's, which makes similar HP and Tq numbers without an issue. Only time I have see any type of failure was from aluminum cases twisting under load. We always recommend to use a steel case.

Tansey86 03-20-2013 01:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FullBlown (Post 804874)
We've used this setup in many s2k's, which makes similar HP and Tq numbers without an issue. Only time I have see any type of failure was from aluminum cases twisting under load. We always recommend to use a steel case.

So you guys make a built engine, a built rearend. Now the only real thing to worry about is the tranny. Do you guys plan on offering a solution if that becomes a weak point aswell?

extreme-86 03-20-2013 04:52 AM

Full Blown have quite a lot of experience with the 8.8 rear-end in the S2000 world, with examples running in the 8's and 9's

Nice to see this development taking place on the FR-S/86/BR-Z platform

V160 or R154 swap could be interesting

Captain Insano 03-20-2013 05:41 AM

The speed with which the aftermarket has evolved for this car is pretty amazing. Gonna be a fun tuner car... :-)

FullBlown 03-20-2013 11:17 AM

We have no plans for a trans solution yet. We'll see how everything goes first.

Huehuecoyotl 03-20-2013 11:22 AM

at what HP/TQ does the OE one start to fail?

buditjoenawan 03-20-2013 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FullBlown (Post 805555)
We have no plans for a trans solution yet. We'll see how everything goes first.

Just thinking ahead. ;) If 450lb-ft launches, 2800lb car, 1.3sec 60ft destroys factory 5 speeds. Then your shop car is pretty close. :-D

budi

jshadeck 03-20-2013 11:52 AM

Id really like to see the stock trannys breaking point before id even think of a v160. 2-3x the weight maybe? And if i recall it was roughly 30" from the bellhousing to the shifter... Not to mention enlarging the tunnel would most likely be required (went thru all this with one of my mk3 supras)

King Tut 03-20-2013 02:36 PM

Don't think I will be needing this part, haha.

SmsAlSuwaidi 03-20-2013 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FullBlown (Post 805555)
We have no plans for a trans solution yet. We'll see how everything goes first.


i was wondering what about the axles, cause I'm worried about those after seeing E.kanoos 2j 86 blow them on the drag strip

FullBlown 03-20-2013 03:53 PM

We are working with DSS to get the axles made


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