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boredom.is.me 03-18-2013 03:09 PM

RCE vs Swift: Any Insight?
 
I've seen lots of threads about RCE Yellows. I've seen much more reliable advisors talk about Swifts with coilovers. With that said, I have yet to see a direct comparison between the two.

RCE Yellows
Rates: 4.6K F, 4.6K R
Drop: 20mm (0.8")
Linear Compression

Swift Springs
Rates 3K F, 4.5K R
Drop: 25mm (1")
Linear Compression


So?

Rates have been fixed!

husker741 03-18-2013 03:10 PM

Do Swifts come with new bumpstops? That's why I went with the Yellows. They are a nice drop to get rid of the gap, but they are made with the stock struts in mind.

JoeBoxer 03-18-2013 03:53 PM

RCE is 4.5 front and rear, 7k is the Tarmac II's i believe.

Racecomp Engineering 03-18-2013 03:56 PM

Just a note, our rates are not 7k front and rear.

It's closer to about 4.6 kg/mm front and rear (or 250lbs/in).

Swifts are excellent springs, and we do sell them as well. Our RCE Yellows were designed from the outset to work with replacement shortened bumpstops and a mild drop to maximize bump travel and let the spring do the "work". With the firmer front rates, this means that the initial loading happens in a more linear fashion...rather than a soft spring then firm bumpstop progression. It's a little more confidence inspiring and consistent. It also reacts a little quicker and tames the back end a bit.

We did a lot of testing since we were lucky enough to have access to a preproduction BRZ (thank you Subaru of America) and went through a couple of different rates and drops before reaching our final iteration.

RCE springs + a few bushings and toppings makes one hell of a Frizzle or Brizzle. Even the springs alone just turns things up a notch into a real "sport" package. :)

- Andrew

Racecomp Engineering 03-18-2013 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeBoxer (Post 801014)
RCE is 4.5 front and rear, 7k is the Tarmac II's i believe.

correctamundo.

OrbitalEllipses 03-18-2013 03:59 PM

Input?

Myles at RaceComp is a solid dude and pretty funny too! Swift? Never dealt with them.

Oh, the springs? I have no idea. I have RCE Yellows that I haven't put on yet.

JesseE 03-18-2013 04:16 PM

I love my RCE Yellows!

FT-86 SpeedFactory 03-18-2013 04:24 PM

Both options are very good for springs. Really the only two to consider when it comes to springs.

JDKane527 03-18-2013 04:43 PM

I've run Swift springs on R56 Mini and H&R Sport springs on a 2IS. Both rode very well, the swifts could have been from the factory since they weren't too much stiffer than stock, but handling improved greatly. The H&R were stiff and had a sporty ride.

I'd go RCE for the FRS

Racecomp Engineering 03-18-2013 05:15 PM

I used to see this kind of thread a lot back in the day on IWSTI.

I think this comes down to preference. We sell and work with SWIFT a good amount. They make awesome springs as well. This is one of those decisions thats like...." Do I jump into the GT3 CUPCAR or do I jump into the 458 Challenge car?" BOTH will work well for you and offer great performance.

Myles

edited to stay on point.

Calum 03-18-2013 06:53 PM

@Racecomp Engineering, did you guys try a christmas tree style bump stop?

I haven't install my Yellows yet and have no reason to ask other then pure, 100% curiosity. So anyone reading this, please don't think my question comes from a negative opinion.

wparsons 03-18-2013 08:59 PM

I think the decision really comes down to how tail happy you want the car to be. The Swift FRS rates are the most tail happy, Swift BRZ rates are a bit more neutral and the RCE's are the most neutral.

Given that some people find the FRS a bit too tail happy stock on some tracks slightly more neutral might not be a bad thing, but it'll all come down to preference.

Captain Snooze 03-18-2013 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering (Post 801274)
I think this comes down to preference.

This.

There is no "correct" or "best" spring rate.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering (Post 801274)
TAKE YOUR PIC !

Can I pick all of them?

OrbitalEllipses 03-18-2013 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze (Post 802105)
Can I pick all of them?

1 RCE spring, 1 Swift spring, 1 H&R spring, 1 Eibach Pro-kit spring; boom done!


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