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Supermassive 03-10-2013 09:20 AM

TRD Griffon Wing??
 
Seriously...I want this wing worse than pretty much every other modification I already have on my car...and that's a lot of cool bits. I can never find any good shots of the wing and the supports but I want it because it's FUNCTIONAL and sexy. I need downforce over the rear end to stabilize the car at speed, some people say they feel stable but I can feel the ass end of my car almost skitter over the pavement at speeds over 130mph and I'd really like it to stop ;)

So if anyone has or knows someone who has better pics of this wing it would be greatly appreciated and who knows, maybe we can generate enough interest to have this wing come to the aftermarket.

http://auto.blog.rs/gallery/108/trd%2086%2011.jpg

chonody 03-10-2013 12:23 PM

TRD Griffon Concept via Speedhunters

http://cdn.speedhunters.com/wp-conte...Griffon-12.jpghttp://cdn.speedhunters.com/wp-conte...Griffon-13.jpghttp://cdn.speedhunters.com/wp-conte...Griffon-04.jpghttp://cdn.speedhunters.com/wp-conte...Griffon-14.jpg

Silverdub 03-10-2013 12:50 PM

thats hot! i like it

Burrcold 03-10-2013 12:52 PM

How often are you doing 130mph that you would need this? Totally serious question.

russv 03-10-2013 02:51 PM

Seems a bit over the top, but your choice.

Edit: looks a bit structurally unstable

Minovsky 03-10-2013 03:09 PM

a ducktail and a wing?! hmmm too much?

Dephective 03-10-2013 05:23 PM

How is it attached to the boot? That looks too flush to be bolted, and I'd be a little concerned with that amount of wind resistance vs. 3M double sided tape, especially on such a small adhesive surface area.

Certainly is a sexy piece minus the OEM spoiler under there.

stilletto 03-10-2013 05:56 PM

Unnecessary.

chonody 03-10-2013 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dephective (Post 784462)
How is it attached to the boot? That looks too flush to be bolted, and I'd be a little concerned with that amount of wind resistance vs. 3M double sided tape, especially on such a small adhesive surface area.

Certainly is a sexy piece minus the OEM spoiler under there.


It's mounted on the bottom of the trunk.

http://cdn.speedhunters.com/wp-conte...Griffon-14.jpg

Dephective 03-10-2013 06:09 PM

Ahh, I see now. Clearly I wasn't paying attention....

ThugNasty 03-10-2013 09:52 PM

Yo I dawg I heard you like spoilers

TOMIMOTO 03-10-2013 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stilletto (Post 784515)
Unnecessary.

Just like this is.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/55/12...e25ae7da80.jpg

Silverdub 03-10-2013 10:59 PM

i am planning on a giganormous wing, but on a scond trunk that i put on only for lappng, if not, the car is that much hotter wingless, even thos five:ad wings, mehhhh not liking it

Knshro13 03-10-2013 11:49 PM

I love it. Functional or not, it's hot.

OrbitalEllipses 03-10-2013 11:58 PM

I want the rear bumper and diffuser setup.

SubieNate 03-11-2013 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honeydew (Post 784210)
a ducktail and a wing?! hmmm too much?

HAS SCIENCE GONE TOO FAR?!?!

I think the laptimes for this car speak for themselves. But it is a racecar. I probably wouldn't put multiple aero devices on the trunk of a street car.

Nathan

Draco-REX 03-11-2013 12:57 AM

One's a Wing, the other's a spoiler. Two different jobs, aero-wise.

A wing uses negative lift from an airfoil (like an inverted wing of an aircraft) to provide downforce.

A spoiler disrupts (or spoils) the airflow coming off the back of the car to create a low-pressure area behind the car. This aids under-car aerodynamics like diffusers, to make them more effective. A larger low-pressure zone means that under-body air will be accelerated out the back more.

So while both are downforce generators on the back of the car, they do so in different ways that can compliment each other. That said, is the spoiler on this car big enough, and the under-car aero developed enough, for there to be a noticeable effect? In stock form, no. But since this is a prototype racer, it's possible. Only their windtunnel team knows.

cyde01 03-11-2013 03:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses (Post 785264)
I want the rear bumper and diffuser setup.

You and me both. If you could mount a standard side outlet exhaust and fit the rear foglight/reverse lights to that thing it'd be perfect.

stilletto 03-11-2013 12:45 PM

Oh Yeah!

http://motormavens.com/emAlbum/album...ttack-copy.jpg

ProTekk 03-11-2013 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stilletto (Post 786038)

The rice version of a 410 sprint car.

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calis5nest 03-11-2013 12:52 PM

^ lol

BlaineWasHere 03-11-2013 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burrcold (Post 784049)
How often are you doing 130mph that you would need this? Totally serious question.

THIS! AND where are you doing it?!? Unless you've got forced induction I can't even think of many racetracks where you'd hit that speed.

At stock power with a wing like that I'd bet you'd struggle to even hit 130!!!

stilletto 03-11-2013 02:35 PM

Good Man ^
Every time I open my mouth about unnecessary Wings, Canards, or Aero Kits, people get all pissy.

schtebie 03-11-2013 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlaineWasHere (Post 786272)
THIS! AND where are you doing it?!? Unless you've got forced induction I can't even think of many racetracks where you'd hit that speed.

At stock power with a wing like that I'd bet you'd struggle to even hit 130!!!

Well...OP does have a turbo. But I completely agree with your point.

Supermassive 03-11-2013 07:25 PM

So thanks for the added pics, that is an incredible setup. First off I play occasionally on race tracks and after getting this car tuned with the turbo and noticing the amount of rear end instability at high speeds I have stayed off the tracks for the time being. I think that the removal of the stock muffler has upset the flow of air under the car enough to make a noticeable difference in handling that the lip spoiler alone can't compensate for. True, a wing like this would be overkill for most driving around town and AutoX events, and I am one of the anti wing crowd as well.

I have plans and an idea on a functional rear diffuser, but I have a few other mods to work on getting on the car before I start custom fabbing stuff like that. That said, looking at the way this wing is mounted leaves me frustrated because those mounts will never be produced within a price I am willing to pay. The wing however could be produced and an alternate support could be used.

Draco-REX 03-11-2013 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stilletto (Post 786038)

Functional, but amazingly dumb. The whole point of elevating a wing is to get clean air. Which is fine if you're in a competition where you're running nose-to-tail. But that's a TT car. Putting a front wing high on a TT car is just for getting attention.

boredom.is.me 03-11-2013 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Draco-REX (Post 786965)
Functional, but amazingly dumb. The whole point of elevating a wing is to get clean air. Which is fine if you're in a competition where you're running nose-to-tail. But that's a TT car. Putting a front wing high on a TT car is just for getting attention.

How is that to get attention? If it was any lower, the driver wouldn't be able to see.

Supermassive 03-11-2013 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boredom.is.me (Post 787024)
How is that to get attention? If it was any lower, the driver wouldn't be able to see.

Well it can't be too dumb, that is one of the faster TC's out there.

zex 03-11-2013 09:04 PM

looks sexy

Draco-REX 03-11-2013 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boredom.is.me (Post 787024)
How is that to get attention? If it was any lower, the driver wouldn't be able to see.

It can be BELOW the driver's view. The air in front of the car is as clean as the air above it. If anything, I do question the wisdom of putting it that high on a functional basis as I'm sure it's interfereing with the efficiency of the rear wing.

I did say that it was functional, but I think it could be better. There's a reason why you don't see elevated front wings on unlimited class hillclimb cars and other high downforce vehicles.


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