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RadOnc 10-16-2009 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by dante (Post 406)
And the only thing you'll be deciding is Toyota vs. Subaru sheet metal and engine choices. No way AWD will be designed or offered on this platform.

Any particular reason that AWD won't be on the Subaru 086a? I'd be shocked.
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Originally Posted by dante (Post 406)
Any pics of the concept (or mule) shows the front axle close to the front of the car. Since on an AWD car you need the engine in front of the front axle, you'd need a different platform/layout. Not saying that they wouldn't be able to redesign it to allow for AWD, but as it stands now the mule/concept layout will only allow RWD.
Im just curious, why does the engine need to be infront of the axle in an AWD layout? Im completly unfamiliar with AWD layouts.

JDMinc 10-17-2009 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys (Post 468)
That article is almost 2 years old if I'm not mistaken.

It would be a huge mistake on Toyota's part to make a solid decision like that, 4 years before the production model is even shipped to be sold.

Plus, its not cited from any official toyota statement.
It would be so stupid for Toyota to spend the time and money to co-develop this car and then purposely not sell it in their biggest market (north america). Unless they have some kind of agreement with Subaru that Subaru gets exclusive right to sell their version of this car in the US, I don't see the Toyota version being sold only in Japan/Europe.

udon! 10-17-2009 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by JDMinc (Post 408)
Interesting... so in this latest spypic of the test mule the wheels would have to be back more for it to possibly be an AWD?

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...1&d=1255448816

WTF IS THAT SHIT?
if usdm ONLY gets this, and not the ft86,
wow. just, wow. that is hideous.

Kenji 10-18-2009 01:52 AM
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Originally Posted by udon! (Post 649)
WTF IS THAT SHIT?
if usdm ONLY gets this, and not the ft86,
wow. just, wow. that is hideous.
That's just a test mule out for testing and under extreme camoflage. There's all kinds of weird panels and coverings bolted on to mask the true design underneath. Can't tell much from this other than that it's going to be a short car, just like the FT-86.

I agree with some of the other guys... Toyota's version has to be coming here too not just subaru's version

CoreDump 10-18-2009 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by RadOnc (Post 512)
Im just curious, why does the engine need to be infront of the axle in an AWD layout? Im completly unfamiliar with AWD layouts.
It has to do with Subaru's symmetrical AWD design.

http://www.fhi.co.jp/english/ir/fina...mg/slide11.jpg

7shades 10-19-2009 06:43 AM
I highly doubt there will be a Subaru AWD variant. To do so would undercut sales of their own 'hero' car, the WRX...

RWDJunkie 10-20-2009 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 7shades (Post 764)
I highly doubt there will be a Subaru AWD variant. To do so would undercut sales of their own 'hero' car, the WRX...
Good point. But I suspect most people would prefer to have an awd sedan over an awd 2+2 coupe

MR2fan 10-22-2009 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by RWDJunkie (Post 942)
Good point. But I suspect most people would prefer to have an awd sedan over an awd 2+2 coupe
Not if the awd 2+2 coupe looks better. Especially since the typical WRX driver is a young guy, he probably cares more about the car's looks than having 2 extra doors and more backseat space.

ichitaka05 10-22-2009 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys (Post 468)
That article is almost 2 years old if I'm not mistaken.

It would be a huge mistake on Toyota's part to make a solid decision like that, 4 years before the production model is even shipped to be sold.

Plus, its not cited from any official toyota statement.
Yeah, it's really old article.

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Originally Posted by JDMinc (Post 408)
Interesting... so in this latest spypic of the test mule the wheels would have to be back more for it to possibly be an AWD?

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...1&d=1255448816
No offense to anyone, but I can't see RWD subie... Yeah, I know there's some in D1 and Formula D and blah blah blah, but stock... No way. Subie is famous for Boxer Engine AWD

casualsurfer 10-22-2009 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Ground N Pound (Post 316)
I have read more than once that US will get the Subaru version but not the Toyota version. Is this based off any actual info or just people purely speculating?

And if true why would they decide to do this? I personally would want a Toyota not a Subaru version.
If it's on the Internet then it must be true.
:thumbup:

casualsurfer 10-22-2009 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 1247)
No offense to anyone, but I can't see RWD subie... Yeah, I know there's some in D1 and Formula D and blah blah blah, but stock... No way. Subie is famous for Boxer Engine AWD
obviously you've never heard of Subaru Justy or a host of other non-US Subaru models that are not AWD. just because a regional marketing strategy is focused on a set of features doesn't mean they don't/can't/won't make it. my worry is that the folks at Subaru USA will have their marketing slogans so far up their butt and fear about "brand dilution" that they forget the number one mission Subaru exists: sell cars people want, and it's obvious to me that people want a light weight AWD coupe with a turbo 2.5L engine :D

ichitaka05 10-22-2009 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by casualsurfer (Post 1328)
obviously you've never heard of Subaru Justy or a host of other non-US Subaru models that are not AWD. just because a regional marketing strategy is focused on a set of features doesn't mean they don't/can't/won't make it. my worry is that the folks at Subaru USA will have their marketing slogans so far up their butt and fear about "brand dilution" that they forget the number one mission Subaru exists: sell cars people want, and it's obvious to me that people want a light weight AWD coupe with a turbo 2.5L engine :D
Yes, I know Justy is. It was running EF10 & 12 engine (correct me if I'm wrong) and you know that some Justy came 4WD. Also Earlier had EJ16 & 18 FWD Impreza's. Yes, I know most of Subie that came out (not all).

I'm just saying that Subie is well known for Boxer AWD now. Only few know bout bout those FWD Subies.

talagang_crazy 10-23-2009 03:58 PM
if subie makes this a sti platform, im going that route all the way, ill wait the extra year or two and pay the extra money

DanZilla 10-23-2009 04:00 PM
I really hope its turbo rwd. we already have wrx's and sti's here. I want something different from factory now lol


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