without getting into the fact that it sounds like all you are talking about is power, what you are saying still has almost nothing to do with the fact that the cobalt is faster than the frs in the majority of situations. you can throw a bunch of elipses or just say "end" but it doesnt change the numbers.

When did this become the come bench race me bro thread?

Thanks for giving me some reading material though. I was bored as hell at work
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Cobalt SS is faster around the track. Track-prepped? That's a totally open field, but mod for mod, I'd be surprised if the Cobalt SS didn't remain faster.
It is nothing to tune a fwd car for oversteer. Add front camber, add rear roll stiffness. And $ for $, the SS will make metric tons more power in the engine department (moar booost!).

I would never buy a fwd car, but they can certainly be made quite fast and again, it's no big deal to tune understeer out of them any more than in a rwd car.

At FR-S/Cobalt SS power/weight levels, rwd is an advantage, but not necessarily a HUGE one.

I'd still a million times rather have the FR-S.

Depends on he year and model Cobalt SS. They did not offer the turbo 260hp engine until late 2008. The first 3.5 years or so of the car saw a less powerful engine. Considering the car weighs more, I don't think an FRZ would have a problem keeping up with the lower horsepower SS.

My buddy had one and it was a fast car, but it was a POS... He sold it after three year and lost a pile of money, that car depreciated like you would not believe.

Fatoni doesn't own a Cobalt, he's just a forum cowboy and a GM fanboy but if he could conjure up a Cobalt then he really should come on down like Bob Barker. I really want to see his "Godly Cobalt" in action. :popcorn:

i keep bringing up the frs because that was the context of the original post you quoted me on. why do you think its unreasonable to talk about the frs in a conversation about the frs in a subforum titled "frs/brz vs..."?

this thread is titled "come race me bro' encounters." the very concept of this thread is about street driving. i have never had anyone roll down a window and ask to race or just rev at me on an actual race track. nobody was ever talking about track prepped frs or cobalts so i dont know why you bring that up.

even if we were talking track ready cars (which is a concept that is not beyond me by the way), your argument is entirely speculative. the closest thing that i can think of would be the scca runoffs where cobalts and s2000s use to have a good rivalry in t3. as close as that is, the champion for the last two years has been a cobalt. of course with the way classing works that isnt definitive proof that the cobalt is better than the s2000 (which i feel at this time is faster than the frs). thats not what ive been saying. what i am saying is that actual race cars going around a track that are contrary to your saying, "there is no freaking way that a cobalt can keep up with a track ready frs"

i typically stray from dealing with absolutes but when you say that any rwd car will be faster than the cobalt, you cant be more wrong. fwd cars can oversteer and just about every car from the factory understeers regardless of drivetrain.

was on my way work this morning minding my own business and this 2001 honda accord with a fart can is revving like hell at me an takes off. well at the next light i was annoyed so i put him in his place. Guy just made a left turn after that.

had something like that happen last night. some back story: next door to the dominos that I work at is a check cashing place, and this guy goes up there more than once a week. old Honda accord (90s model), and I guess he's got a straight pipe on there, because it's one of the loudest (and slowest) cars I've seen in a LONG time.

Anyways, I'm about to get onto a highway (road turns into a highway at a traffic light, so 35mph to 55mph). I'm on a delivery to go up to a hotel that's way down the road, and he's right behind me at the traffic light. I guess he knows that I've got work done to the car, since he probably hears it all the time while he's at the check cashing place. So he's sitting there revving while the light is still red. turns green, I take off normally, and he's just about driving through my back window. give it just a little gas, enough for the 86 to pull away from him hard, and I guess he decided that he didn't want any. I wouldn't have raced him anyways, since I don't do it on the street anymore, but still thought it was funny that he backed way off, and refused to pass me (going 60ish in a 55), until we were almost at the exit he was getting off at. decided to fly by me, then slam on his brakes to make the turn. lol.

people are stupid sometimes.

I waved out the window at a white IF-S leaving the downtown medical plaza, he got behind me and did a ricer pass and then revved the engine at the light and dropped from neutral after passing a rail road. Driving like that in a downtown area can quickly get "ones self" in trouble so I left him to his 3 P.M. traffic hooning and headed towards the highway. The exhaust from the is-f revving sounded admittedly 100x better than my engine sound, I was "a little" jealous- but he was young so it was probably his dad's car who he's letting screw up a nice Lexus, haha go back to Brentwood kid.

Someone tell my why on A FR-S/BRZ forum I see this thread littered with people talking about the finer points of a ss chevy cobalt? WTF? Lets go to the Ferrari forum and talk about 92' Honda accords..

"that guy waved at me!? how DARE he! i'll show him not to be friendly!"

What is up with Mini drivers and the BRZ?

Within the last 24 hours I have had two douchebag drivers up in my junk...

First one was this morning. On a freeway that is 55mph during morning traffic. I am behind a Mini in the left lane and he is going 50mph with nobody in front of him.. Can't pass him because there is a big construction truck on the right. I am not riding his tail and patiently wait until I can get by him on the right (he refuses to get over). I start to pass him then he starts driving like a bat out of hell to not let me pass on the right. At this point I am rather annoyed and just get by him (going 15 over at this point and slow down) and he finally slows down.. He was a fat guy and must have been in his late 30's early 40's.. Really guy? If you don't want to go the speed limit during rush hour, fine, but get your ass over in the right lane with the Prius drivers and busses...

On the way home I am stuck behind a minivan (but at least she was going right around the speed limit) and some douchebag in a Mini Clubman (which have to be the ugliest Mini's ever made) comes speeding up at a very high rate of speed behind me to the point that he is literally touching my bumper and we are going about 50. Minivan finally turns and I speed up, but he keeps acting like he is going to pass me, and mind you this is now in a 35mph residential area in a no passing lane.. Guy looked like he was in his late 20's and he finally turned..

WTH??

My vortech supercharged BRZ vs:

2010 sti = nom nom nom
Mazdaspeed mx5 = nom nom nom
Integra GSR = hahahahahahaha wtf?

Jeep srt8 = had me by a headlight until 3rd and I pulled on it

Whoever is arguing about the FRS/BRZ being faster or slower than "X" car needs to remember that's not what the twins are all about. It was designed from the ground up for pure driving enjoyment. The same can't be said about a lot of other cars out there.

92 hondas cant smoke a ferrari :sigh:

He hit you?!?

No, but he was literally about 1" from my bumper. If I had to brake unexpectedly he would have hit me.. I was not happy.. I tried to control my temper and it took everything I had not to follow him and chew his ass out. But I am old enough now to just let these things go...

That's our resident troll, in his flawed opinion any car is better than the BRZ/FRS. For all we know he may actually go on a Ferrari forum saying how much greater some car he likes is compared to their $200,000 cars. Does the Guinness book have a section on trolling? The Mayans would easily be #1 for the Dec 21 prediction but fatoni might snag the #2 spot if he forgoes eating, sleeping, shitting and showering just to troll every single forum on the internet.

It does if he's in the left lane pacing traffic and the Ferrari is behind him. *cough*

youre pretty clever.

the eating and shitting can be done while on a laptop, and if he takes baths, then he could potentially use a laptop.

One hint of water and that laptop is clusterfucked.

:thanks::lol:

I don't believe he was calling you a fart smeller...






I mean, a "smart feller".

:happy0180:

I'm well aware that I'm a smart ass and I know he meant it sarcastically.

This thread sucks. :lol:

I' not gonna flame war with you but as a resident troll thats a bit extreme, I not going around trolling people. What I'm saying is this a "come race me bro" section and half of it is about a colbat ss. If you have a problem feel free to pm me, because I doubt you read any of my posts.

"I not going to" English? Judging from the fact that you highlighted this specific thread only, you haven't seen his hundreds of others of responses which are clearly meant as an annoyance. Btw mind your own business.

I'd be pissed too, do you remember the type of car the ****face was driving?

[QUOTE=Brzetto;1077772[/QUOTE]

Do you know japanese? It has nothing to do with the quote or anything just wondering about your username.

I dont even have 100 posts so i dont see how I have 100's of troll posts? And why are you telling me to mind my own biz, you were talking about me?

Was driving down a school area and a jeep sped up to drive beside me and match my speed.... Afterwards he just accelerated and spun his tires and cut me off lmao... Fucking douche

he was talking aobut me. he said the cobalt ss was the biggest piece of shit known to man and when i told him they were fast, he started calling me a troll.

Douches gon douche bro...

I know very little japanese, just a few words. Whenever they talked about the BRZ in Japan they always say "Brzetto".

In soviet Russia, gt86 members troll themselves.

Thanks for the laugh, I like to laugh at totally bullshit statements that try to imply my labeling you as a troll was just because of one debate when in fact I've seen your other responses to various other people in which you have done the exact same "my car preference is better than yours". You alone are the cause of your reputation as a troll, you have nobody else to blame but yourself. Gotta question, after you lose the debate on Cobalt vs *insert car here*, what car are you going to fall back on? Maybe you should start a youtube show "my car is better than your car".

Back on topic:
I got a 2fer today! Some asshat in an SUV tried to not let me in on the highway so I kept it in 5th and tested out my recent install. I passed him, and hopped over in front of a new wrx hatch. The asshat stayed as close to my back seat as my bumper would let him. I got over, rolled down my window and gave him the bird. The wrx got up next to me and gave me a thumbs up.
The one thing I always hated about sports cars is that people see you coming and assume your going to drive like a ****. Which in turn, makes you drive like a ****.
When I see people merging onto a highway I let them in instead of creating dangerous situations.


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