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Saab2Frs 02-08-2013 11:43 AM

Header Back vs Catback
 
Hey All,

Planning on installing my FA20 intake + stg II tune. I have a Perrin Header Back system, but was contemplating selling the front and overpipe due to getting boned by the tax man. Wil the power gains with the header back be significantly better than catback or is it so negligible that I won't notice it? IF so, I'd be willing to sell the front/over pipe.

FR-S Matt 02-08-2013 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Saab2Frs (Post 721165)
Hey All,

Planning on installing my FA20 intake + stg II tune. I have a Perrin Header Back system, but was contemplating selling the front and overpipe due to getting boned by the tax man. Wil the power gains with the header back be significantly better than catback or is it so negligible that I won't notice it? IF so, I'd be willing to sell the front/over pipe.

The biggest gains happen at the overpipe and front pipe, so replacing those will result in a horsepower loss and a reduction in sound as well.

Saab2Frs 02-08-2013 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by FR-S Matt (Post 721313)
The biggest gains happen at the overpipe and front pipe, so replacing those will result in a horsepower loss and a reduction in sound as well.

You mean replacing them as in putting the stock ones back on? I haven't actually installed anything yet because of the weather. If that's where the biggest gains are then I guess I will be keeping the system then.

FR-S Matt 02-08-2013 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Saab2Frs (Post 721318)
You mean replacing them as in putting the stock ones back on? I haven't actually installed anything yet because of the weather. If that's where the biggest gains are then I guess I will be keeping the system then.

Yes, if you go back to stock on those pieces, you will not only hear a difference, you will feel it. Axlebacks and Catbacks are mostly for sound changing. The real gains happen at the Header/OP/FP or OP/DP. If the system is restricted at the front, the back doesn't matter very much.

Saab2Frs 02-08-2013 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by FR-S Matt (Post 721339)
Yes, if you go back to stock on those pieces, you will not only hear a difference, you will feel it. Axlebacks and Catbacks are mostly for sound changing. The real gains happen at the Header/OP/FP or OP/DP. If the system is restricted at the front, the back doesn't matter very much.

Thank you. That's what I figured. Oh well, guess I'll just have to tighten the belt for a few months after I pay off the tax man. I didn't know this, but independent contractors (which is my part-time gig) get hit with a 15.3% self-employment tax.

FR-S Matt 02-08-2013 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Saab2Frs (Post 721353)
Thank you. That's what I figured. Oh well, guess I'll just have to tighten the belt for a few months after I pay off the tax man. I didn't know this, but independent contractors (which is my part-time gig) get hit with a 15.3% self-employment tax.

Holy crap. Remind me never to do freelance computer work on my own!

Tylub 02-08-2013 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Saab2Frs (Post 721318)
You mean replacing them as in putting the stock ones back on? I haven't actually installed anything yet because of the weather. If that's where the biggest gains are then I guess I will be keeping the system then.

I am running the Perrin headerback system and the biggest gains were the over pipe and front pipe like FRS MATT said

I tried with the catback non resonated and it sounded good, an hour later got the front pipe on and throttle response was pretty cool and sounded even better, more fuller, maybe because of the high flow cat

after that the next day I got the over pipe on and whooooo the car just wants to jump :burnrubber:

Saab2Frs 02-08-2013 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by FR-S Matt (Post 721358)
Holy crap. Remind me never to do freelance computer work on my own!

I know I just found out about the tax, myself! Ridiculous!

Foobar 02-08-2013 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Saab2Frs (Post 721436)
I know I just found out about the tax, myself! Ridiculous!

Yeah, it's basically FICA + Medicare that you'd normally be paying if you were employed by someone else.

You could always incorporate and give yourself a token $1 annual salary, then expense everything and give yourself some bonuses or something I suppose.

Anyway, yeah I wouldn't suggest getting rid of the OP/FP since you already paid for it, but if you do decide to sell them, I'd consider taking them off your hands (and I believe I'm local to you as well).

naikaidriver 02-08-2013 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Tylub (Post 721418)
I am running the Perrin headerback system and the biggest gains were the over pipe and front pipe like FRS MATT said

I tried with the catback non resonated and it sounded good, an hour later got the front pipe on and throttle response was pretty cool and sounded even better, more fuller, maybe because of the high flow cat

after that the next day I got the over pipe on and whooooo the car just wants to jump :burnrubber:

How was the overall volume of the system after you added the front pipe and over pipe? I want the non-resonated Perrin as well but wasn't sure how loud it was going to be as a header back system.

Scott

FR-S Matt 02-08-2013 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by naikaidriver (Post 721521)
How was the overall volume of the system after you added the front pipe and over pipe? I want the non-resonated Perrin as well but wasn't sure how loud it was going to be as a header back system.

Scott

Unresonated is pretty loud with the front pipe and OP, and if you plan on a header, I recommend the resonator.

Tylub 02-08-2013 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by naikaidriver (Post 721521)
How was the overall volume of the system after you added the front pipe and over pipe? I want the non-resonated Perrin as well but wasn't sure how loud it was going to be as a header back system.

Scott

it took me a while to break it in. It was LOUD when I first got everything in but over time, it quieted down a lot. took maybe 1000 miles give or take and a week or two, I don't remember.

On the freeway, you can barely hear the exhaust. I get more road and tire noise than exhaust noise. but once you WOT, your ears will love you

Tylub 02-08-2013 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by FR-S Matt (Post 721530)
Unresonated is pretty loud with the front pipe and OP, and if you plan on a header, I recommend the resonator.

if you get the catted front pipe, it will help you tone the down the noise a bit @naikaidriver

Foobar 02-08-2013 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Tylub (Post 721536)
it took me a while to break it in. It was LOUD when I first got everything in but over time, it quieted down a lot. took maybe 1000 miles give or take and a week or two, I don't remember.

On the freeway, you can barely hear the exhaust. I get more road and tire noise than exhaust noise. but once you WOT, your ears will love you

Have you heard the GReddy Evo 3? I had that before getting the Perrin non-resonated catback and I'm hoping that when I go OP/catted-FP, I'll get that sound back but without the drone.


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