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JayNutter 01-04-2013 02:43 PM

2013 Mustang GT or wait for 2015 Mustang GT or new model 370Z (390Z)...???
 
I have the FR-S and love that car. Amazing and I enjoy driving it.

My other car is a high mpg compact car. It is a great appliance car, but there is no love when driving it.

In order to satisfy my craving for high horsepower and straight line speed I am considering buying a new 2013 Mustang GT and getting rid of my appliance car.

The one problem I am having is deciding whether to wait. The 2013 Mustang GT is an amazing car with great value, but the new model is due in 2015. The new model may make the current generation insignificant with the trend of increased performance and value (not to mention the looks department). The other problem is that the new model 370Z is due in either 2014 or 2015. The current 370Z is great, but a bit overpriced (imo).

What says the mob, 2013 Mustang GT, 2015 Mustang GT, or 2015/15 370Z?

rice_classic 01-04-2013 02:57 PM

Why do you want a heavy car and poor mileage just to get more power?

I'd rather have a supercharged FRS then any of those cars. Faster, lighter, cheaper and better mpg too...

Power makes a car faster in the straights
Lightness makes a car faster everywhere

mashal 01-04-2013 02:58 PM

Buy yourself a Boss, their isn't alot of people buying those and dealerships around my area are selling at cost . Most of then have even sitting for about a year.
A guy on here bought one like 3k under MSRP if I'm not mistaking .

JayNutter 01-04-2013 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mashal (Post 644320)
Buy yourself a Boss, their isn't alot of people buying those and dealerships around my area are selling at cost . Most of then have even sitting for about a year.
A guy on here bought one like 3k under MSRP if I'm not mistaking .

I would love to get a BOSS, but that is more than I am willing to spend. A new Mustang GT is around the 30k range and the BOSS is over 40k. Plus, the ride is a bit too harsh for a daily driver. (fyi, both would be alternating as daily drivers)

muffinman 01-04-2013 03:45 PM

I vote for a 2013 gt mustang. Add this if u want a little more kick http://www.americanmuscle.com/boss-p...ck-1112gt.html. I think u could pick up a new gt OTD for $28-29k

DBacon1052 01-04-2013 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rice_classic (Post 644318)
Why do you want a heavy car and poor mileage just to get more power?

I'd rather have a supercharged FRS then any of those cars. Faster, lighter, cheaper and better mpg too...

Power makes a car faster in the straights
Lightness makes a car faster everywhere

I don't think he's getting rid of the FRS... I think he's getting rid of his other car in order to buy a mustang for times when he wants to go fast on the straight.

JayNutter 01-04-2013 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DBacon1052 (Post 644427)
I don't think he's getting rid of the FRS... I think he's getting rid of his other car in order to buy a mustang for times when he wants to go fast on the straight.

I will be keeping the FR-S and getting rid of the commuter appliance car.

ziggz501 01-04-2013 05:36 PM

i was thinking about waiting for the 2014/15 Z because supposedly they are trying to go back to a smaller displacement. that is what has been teased at least. i don't know what they would do with the name though because everyone would think it to be a downgraded/cheap Z if they called it a 250Z... it will be interesting to see, but probably won't be the high horsepower machine you think it's going to be.

I haven't heard anything on the 2015 mustang, but ford is the only american car i would think about buying. not necessarily because they make the best cars (they do btw), but rather they have some pride in what they do and don't do rush engineering (volt anyone?). the mustang is due for a makeover, and i'd like to see where they go with it. the horsepower for their V8 is only going to go up if u wait!

but yeah... i was going crazy waiting for a car, so i bought the BRZ. i would have been waiting forever, because every year, some company teases that they are making something amazing, and it sounds great, but can potentially be a let down... the BRZ was far from a let down.

STJ 01-04-2013 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ziggz501 (Post 644658)
i was thinking about waiting for the 2014/15 Z because supposedly they are trying to go back to a smaller displacement. that is what has been teased at least. i don't know what they would do with the name though because everyone would think it to be a downgraded/cheap Z if they called it a 250Z... it will be interesting to see, but probably won't be the high horsepower machine you think it's going to be.

I haven't heard anything on the 2015 mustang, but ford is the only american car i would think about buying. not necessarily because they make the best cars (they do btw), but rather they have some pride in what they do and don't do rush engineering (volt anyone?). the mustang is due for a makeover, and i'd like to see where they go with it. the horsepower for their V8 is only going to go up if u wait!

but yeah... i was going crazy waiting for a car, so i bought the BRZ. i would have been waiting forever, because every year, some company teases that they are making something amazing, and it sounds great, but can potentially be a let down... the BRZ was far from a let down.

The New G (Q50) will be revealed in a few days the Z will share its engine. And there won't be any downgrading atleast in horsepower, the Z and G (Q50) will feature the VQ30VDT with around 330bhp thanks to turbocharging.

Mr.Jay 01-04-2013 06:02 PM

I say go for a Boss 302 LSE

Rare as they were only around for 2 season and Ford doesn't plan to bring it back

dem00n 01-05-2013 02:20 PM

I think the new 370Z will be like the old one, the harder you push it the less rewarding it is.

I'd wait and see, worse case in 2015 is you could buy a 2013 GT mustang...

n2oinferno 01-05-2013 02:53 PM

I'm gonna be the crazy one here.

If you just want fast, and the FRS will be your good mileage car, and you have a 30k budget..

Wait for a C6 Z06 to fall into your price range.

UncleFester 01-05-2013 03:05 PM

I had the opportunity to take a Boss Laguna Seca for a few laps last summer and I was amazed at the progress Ford has made in the last five years.

I am really enthusiastic about what they have in store for 2015. I feel the trend set by the twins will help steer the development in a positive direction.

Dimman 01-05-2013 06:22 PM

Wait for next model Mustang GT with IRS?

Gixxersixxerman 01-05-2013 06:30 PM

It almost sounds like the cell phone guys on android forums.. Well I can get this now, but that is coming out.... And after that something else will come out... When the 15's come out you'll start hearing about the 17's.. It's not going to stop... It's the same as the people saying they are waiting for the next version of the FRS.. Well once that comes out hopefully another version will be after that.. Anytime you buy anything now a days.. Some thing better will be coming out right after..

If the low 30's is your price range, have you considered a used boss.. I'm sure you could find in the low 30

sho220 01-05-2013 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rice_classic (Post 644318)
I'd rather have a supercharged FRS then any of those cars. Faster, lighter, cheaper and better mpg too...

Exactly. Keep the appliance car and turbo/sc the FR-S. No brainer. :thumbup:

dem00n 01-05-2013 08:15 PM

I wouldn't jump on the S/C jump wagon just yet, very few people have had a chance of driving one and i don't see anyone giving blow jobs just yet...

gmookher 01-05-2013 08:48 PM

Boss or pass on it for me...

fatoni 01-05-2013 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rice_classic (Post 644318)
Why do you want a heavy car and poor mileage just to get more power?

I'd rather have a supercharged FRS then any of those cars. Faster, lighter, cheaper and better mpg too...

Power makes a car faster in the straights
Lightness makes a car faster everywhere

why would you want a small car that you supercharge and have to guess about reliability as you throw away your warranty? my guess would be that he likes it because its faster than the frs in just about every category including road racing. weight loses its advantage as speed goes up but power doesnt. there is a reason why the fastest production cars are the ones with the most power and not the lightest ones.

sho220 01-05-2013 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatoni (Post 646805)
why would you want a small car that you supercharge and have to guess about reliability as you throw away your warranty?

Exclusivity? Mustangs are a dime a dozen. I have nothing against them and they're one of the best bang-for-buck cars around, but they're f'ing everywhere...

Forced induction is not new technology...if he's willing to wait for a 2015 Mustang, I'd say wait and see how forced induction twins hold up first...jmho...

Bullitt44 01-05-2013 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayNutter (Post 644626)
I will be keeping the FR-S and getting rid of the commuter appliance car.

Agreed. I bought the FR-S to be my high mpg commuter. It serves as a dual purpose fun/economical piece. I have a couple other toys in the garage
too.

R_E_L 01-06-2013 02:29 AM

as the saying goes, all good things come...

Allch Chcar 01-06-2013 06:39 AM

The only thing that's really known to be changing with the next gen Mustang is the IRS, a bit smaller, and more aerodynamic. The v8 is supposed to get DI eventually but probably not too many updates after the whole refresh. Ford is pretty slow about updating engines especially for niche models.

There is supposed to be an Ecoboost Mustang eventually and many people are guessing on an Ecoboost 4 banger for the new base engine. :iono:

NYC BRZ 01-06-2013 10:37 AM

Get a Boss they're available and RARE.

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White Shadow 01-06-2013 11:14 AM

I think Ford is going to really screw up the design of the next generation Mustang. The retro look will be gone (which is probably a good thing as this point), but if you've seen some of the concept pics, the newly styling direction looks more like a Hyundai Genesis than a Mustang. Hopefully they'll come to their senses before starting production.

Dave-ROR 01-06-2013 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayNutter (Post 644340)
I would love to get a BOSS, but that is more than I am willing to spend. A new Mustang GT is around the 30k range and the BOSS is over 40k. Plus, the ride is a bit too harsh for a daily driver. (fyi, both would be alternating as daily drivers)

Have you driven a Boss? I thought the ride in a 302 LS with stiffer than stock suspension was still luxurious compared to the BRZ. I agree on the financial side of course.

gymratter 01-08-2013 12:35 AM

i would wait for the 2015 Mustang GT

LSxJunkie 01-08-2013 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 647711)
Have you driven a Boss? I thought the ride in a 302 LS with stiffer than stock suspension was still luxurious compared to the BRZ. I agree on the financial side of course.

What were the shocks set to? The Boss and Laguna Seca have adjustable shocks with 5 settings. The Boss's stiffest setting is the LS's softest. I've driven a Boss set to 3. It was comfortable but controlled, much better than the soft wallowing GT Brembo Convertible I drove. I believe a Laguna Seca on its stiffest setting all around is virtually unusable on anything other than a glass smooth surface.

Dave-ROR 01-08-2013 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by LSxJunkie (Post 651346)
What were the shocks set to? The Boss and Laguna Seca have adjustable shocks with 5 settings. The Boss's stiffest setting is the LS's softest. I've driven a Boss. No more harsh on pockmarked, frost heaved Long Island roads than my modded GTO was, and that was definitely livable.

This LS's suspension was stiffer than the stock LS suspension, it was set around the middle of the adjustments IIRC, it's been fine tuned for Sebring since and it's quite livable.

I wouldn't say any Boss (LS or not) is harsh.

tree fingers 01-11-2013 04:51 AM

If the BOSS is out of your price range, I would second the motion for waiting for the price of a C6Z to drop a little. Worst case scenario, the '13 and '15 GTs will still be an option.

Grishbok 01-11-2013 05:40 AM

The BOSS is like the frs of the muscle cars, once you drive it, you understand that nothing else in its category comes near it. Its the biproduct of what happens when the gt-40 pit crew gets a hold of a gt500, and works their unholy magic overnight. You end up with a slayer.

The BOSS is so good in fact, rules were changed as a result.

The 370z should be dismissed immediately, Nissan doesnt even know if their going to put a bigger or smaller engine in it yet, so i wouldnt hold my breath for anything short of unimpressive.

I won't go with a corvette, leafsprings and disagreeable styling. The engine is pretty nice, but still leaves a lot to be desired in response.

If you are considering a mustang, wait and buy a used BOSS, or save up and buy a BOSS, but if you buy anything else, youll only be reminded that you should have got the BOSS.

JayNutter 01-11-2013 02:11 PM

Never drove a BOSS, but hope to one day. The styling is a bit too loud for me anyways.

whaap 01-11-2013 02:20 PM

Maybe it's because of my age (old fart) but I adhere to the theory: So many cars, so little time. I'm against waiting for any thing. If you're worried about what the Mustang "might" be in the future, what's the problem. Buy one now and if, in the future they exceed your expectations, trade your pony in for a new one!

People can find all kinds of excuses to wait for what the future might hold and all they're doing is depriving themselves of pleasures they could be enjoying today.

BioRage 01-11-2013 02:24 PM

I really like the 370z....

j.t. 01-12-2013 09:27 AM

If your into mustangs I would wait for the 2015. That model is going to be a complete re-design because it is going to be offered as a global platform. It will also be the first to come from the factory with an independent rear suspension.

ZDan 01-12-2013 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grishbok (Post 658201)
I won't go with a corvette, leafsprings

There is NOTHING wrong with the leafsprings on a modern Corvette, and a fair amount that's RIGHT (lightweight, mounted low, don't occupy much space) about them.

That the springs are composite blades instead of helically-wound wire doesn't detract from double-wishbones front/rear.

Quote:

The engine is pretty nice, but still leaves a lot to be desired in response.
???

Quote:

If you are considering a mustang, wait and buy a used BOSS, or save up and buy a BOSS, but if you buy anything else, youll only be reminded that you should have got the BOSS.
The boss does make a TON more power than the more pedestrian 5.0 (a lot more than hp ratings suggest). But it's a LOT more money, and in the end, still an oversized/overweight box of a car.

I'd much rather have an LS3 C6 than any new Mustang or the 370Z.

Miniata 01-12-2013 10:07 PM

I'd wait for the next generation, 2015 Mustang GT. That's what I'm planning on doing. IRS, smaller, lighter, what's not to love? I had thought about trading in my '08 GT for a 2011 or 2012 5.0 GT, but mine is paid for and while the newer ones are nice, they aren't nice enough to want another car payment right now. Unless Ford really screws up the next Mustang in some way, I plan to get one in a couple of years, possibly trading in my current Mustang, or just keeping my '08 and getting a new one. Heck if it is good enough (much lighter and smaller than the current one) I may even get rid of the BRZ and Mustang for a new one. Torque is a wonderful thing.

Grishbok 01-13-2013 02:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZDan (Post 660595)
There is NOTHING wrong with the leafsprings on a modern Corvette, and a fair amount that's RIGHT (lightweight, mounted low, don't occupy much space) about them.

That the springs are composite blades instead of helically-wound wire doesn't detract from double-wishbones front/rear.

???


The boss does make a TON more power than the more pedestrian 5.0 (a lot more than hp ratings suggest). But it's a LOT more money, and in the end, still an oversized/overweight box of a car.

I'd much rather have an LS3 C6 than any new Mustang or the 370Z.

a lot of people do prefer the c6 to the mustang, and in terms of appearance so do it. But on the track, the boss was a game changer. SCCA had to nerf the rules because the boss was dominating, to the point of unfair advantage. That did not happen with the c6 vette. Im not a hater of vettes, it just does not respond in the fashion that is suitable for me and my style, i need faster response, and a tighter, shorter body. It is remarkable what theyve done with the leafsprings, but were not pioneering the west in a canvas wagon here. Its time to grow the car. I have said for YEARS that the vette is the single best bang for your buck hp car you can get, but it comes with a price, and you usually see that when you start taking it towards its peak. Which has been the main criticism, and will probably always be the main criticism.

Dimman 01-13-2013 04:21 AM

^ I think it's a carbon fiber leaf spring. That's kinda cool.
@ZDan also keep in mind when you're throwing around words like 'oversize/overweight' that the Mustang's natural competition is the Camaro. The fact that the Boss is being compared to the Vette speaks to how well accomplished it is.

The next gen lighter Mustang with IRS (finally, and not some last-minute mod that had to fit chassis pick-up points from a solid axle like the SVT Cobras) may be a vehicle that will pull me over to domestics.

JoeBoxer 01-13-2013 04:52 AM

Rumors of the next 370 and g replacement(q50) are of a vq30dvt, direct injected turbo with roughly 400hp. If they are true and they can get it down closer to 3k pounds its going to be a beast.


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