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draggin_az 12-20-2012 03:27 PM

Remote control FRS
 
:thumbup:

http://www.scionracingstore.com/remotecontrolcars.aspx

Yruyur 12-20-2012 03:53 PM

Yeah got that emailed from scion today. Wonder if it has the crickets?

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DarkSunrise 12-20-2012 03:55 PM

Anyone else disappointed that it was AWD?

jshadeck 12-20-2012 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkSunrise (Post 619635)
Anyone else disappointed that it was AWD?

Easily fixed ;) but yes, would be more fun rwd.

dawnst3ar 12-20-2012 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Yruyur (Post 619634)
Yeah got that emailed from scion today. Wonder if it has the crickets?

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If not, you could always rectify that by hooking up a speaker to the sound tube....

wparsons 12-21-2012 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkSunrise (Post 619635)
Anyone else disappointed that it was AWD?

RC cars have ridiculous power : weight ratios compared to full size cars, and need all the traction they can get under power.

This is a video of my RC drift car (yes, sacrilege using an E30 M3 for that), it's AWD. If it were RWD it would just do donuts, you'd never get it moving enough to go anywhere.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkUaxPE3sQw"]Tamiya TT-01ED - BMW M3 - YouTube[/ame]

DarkSunrise 12-21-2012 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by wparsons (Post 621196)
RC cars have ridiculous power : weight ratios compared to full size cars, and need all the traction they can get under power.

This is a video of my RC drift car (yes, sacrilege using an E30 M3 for that), it's AWD. If it were RWD it would just do donuts, you'd never get it moving enough to go anywhere.

Tamiya TT-01ED - BMW M3 - YouTube

That is awesome man, love the "xenons" and the functional turn signals. I see what you mean about the power:weight ratio. I didn't realize RC cars had that little grip. Back when I was a kid, I used to have a RWD Team Losi car, I don't remember it being that tail happy though.

RaceR 12-21-2012 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkSunrise (Post 621264)
That is awesome man, love the "xenons" and the functional turn signals. I see what you mean about the power:weight ratio. I didn't realize RC cars had that little grip. Back when I was a kid, I used to have a RWD Team Losi car, I don't remember it being that tail happy though.

I used to drive some nitro cars 10+ years ago.. Great fun.
As he wrote, he is using a drift car. With a drift car comes drift tires.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y-xdXw6iWc"]2010. 8. 7 RC Drift Real Circuit - YouTube[/ame]

whaap 12-21-2012 02:25 PM

My knowledge of RC cars is next to zero. Those of you that are familiar with this hobby, what are your thoughts of the FR-S being offered by Scion? Is it a performer or something you would tire of in five minutes?

DarkSunrise 12-21-2012 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RaceR (Post 621374)
I used to drive some nitro cars 10+ years ago.. Great fun.
As he wrote, he is using a drift car. With a drift car comes drift tires.

2010. 8. 7 RC Drift Real Circuit - YouTube

Interesting, drift tires must be a relatively new thing. We didn't have those back in my day.

bestwheelbase 12-21-2012 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by whaap (Post 621398)
My knowledge of RC cars is next to zero. Those of you that are familiar with this hobby, what are your thoughts of the FR-S being offered by Scion? Is it a performer or something you would tire of in five minutes?

It is an entry level kit designed for simplicity rather than total performance. In recent years, there has been growth in the "RTR" or Ready-To-Run segment of the hobby. That is to say, kits that come pre-built with transmitters and tires and need nothing more than a charger to go play.

Like an all-in-one stereo system sacrifices sound quality for the convenience of being plug-in ready, so too do these HPI kits sacrifice performance for convenience.

You can spend a little more money and get a lot more car. And enjoy an afternoon on your workbench with a screw driver and spray paint making something unique.

To get full enjoyment out of an RC car you will want multiple batteries. And you'll want to be able to charge them quickly. These kits just come with a wall outlet that, frankly, will be slow as molasses and only able to do one battery at a time.

Is it a good kit? Yes.
Will it be fun? Yes.
Will you ultimately want to make upgrades that could have already been accommodated by building your own car with slightly nicer components in the first place? Yes.

Here's the Tamiya kit we're building...

http://25.media.tumblr.com/0385b87db...954o1_1280.jpg

RaceR 12-21-2012 03:18 PM

bestwheelbase seems to be up to date on things..

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Originally Posted by DarkSunrise (Post 621404)
Interesting, drift tires must be a relatively new thing. We didn't have those back in my day.

Nope... But as mentioned, it has been available for several years now..

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Originally Posted by whaap (Post 621398)
My knowledge of RC cars is next to zero. Those of you that are familiar with this hobby, what are your thoughts of the FR-S being offered by Scion? Is it a performer or something you would tire of in five minutes?

I consider RC off road cars cars to be something like real rally cars in terms of maintenance. If you are going to use them properly, you are going to crash them, and you will need spare parts. Having spare parts easily available is crucial in my opinion.
Altough maybe not that important with a "slow" drift car driving on parking lots and stuff.
I was driving nitro powered off-road cars, doing jumps and everything. :D
Fixing those cars have to be a part of the hobby, which is some of the reason I got tired of it.
I could consider an electric drift car though, with a GT86 body. A kit without any electronics would be the best choice for me.

bestwheelbase 12-21-2012 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RaceR (Post 621504)
bestwheelbase seems to be up to date on things..

:D

Quote:

Originally Posted by RaceR (Post 621504)
I consider RC off road cars cars to be something like real rally cars in terms of maintenance. If you are going to use them properly, you are going to crash them, and you will need spare parts.

Having spare parts easily available is crucial in my opinion.

I could consider an electric drift car though, with a GT86 body. A kit without any electronics would be the best choice for me.

Great points.

Electric RC cars are where it's at. Nitro gas stuff is noisy and smelly and high-maintenance. Drifting an electric on-road vehicle is very low impact and lots of fun.

gmookher 12-21-2012 04:48 PM

someone sell me a BRZ RC please..

bestwheelbase 12-21-2012 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by gmookher (Post 621714)
someone sell me a BRZ RC please..

http://www2.gpmd.com/imagel/t/ltamc8543.jpg



http://www2.gpmd.com/imagel/t/ltamc8545.jpg

gmookher 12-21-2012 05:41 PM

awesome..thanks, now to get this to Santa in time...

Nitro 12-21-2012 06:09 PM

any RC Car people know if this is a decent value at $230 or is it marked up a lot because you buy it from Scion?

bestwheelbase 12-21-2012 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Nitro (Post 621840)
any RC Car people know if this is a decent value at $230 or is it marked up a lot because you buy it from Scion?

It uses their E10 chassis. Here's a link that shows what their other E10 kits are going for. Looks like they start around $182.

I'm telling you guys -- these look cool but you will get more bang for the buck by building your own kit.

With these you are limited to their pre-painted bodies. Where is the fun in that?

blur 12-21-2012 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by wparsons (Post 621196)
If it were RWD it would just do donuts, you'd never get it moving enough to go anywhere.

:bs:

I cant wait to set up a proper RWD RC drift car. I just gotta set up the real one first :burnrubber:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2msdfIgiXQ"]hobby garage RC Drift 2012.07.21&22 RWD(2WD) test - YouTube[/ame]

UltraFRS 12-26-2012 11:57 AM

So here's what my wife got me for Christmas. I've got to put it together, paint it, and buy some of the electronics for it...but I think it'll be fun.
http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...ps36811802.jpg

YourFearlessLeader 12-26-2012 01:47 PM

loving my hpi frs!! its very cool... not sure ill get into the hobby but its all good

wparsons 12-26-2012 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise (Post 621264)
That is awesome man, love the "xenons" and the functional turn signals. I see what you mean about the power:weight ratio. I didn't realize RC cars had that little grip. Back when I was a kid, I used to have a RWD Team Losi car, I don't remember it being that tail happy though.

As someone else already said, it has super hard drift tires. They're basically hard plastic tires, and have very little traction.

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Originally Posted by blur (Post 622008)
:bs:

I cant wait to set up a proper RWD RC drift car. I just gotta set up the real one first :burnrubber:

Have you driven an RC drift car yet? I've driven mine which is awd, no one way and same gear ratio on both axles, and I've also driven one with a pretty extreme "counter steer" setup (over drives the rear axle so the rear tires are always spinning faster under power) and unless you have LOTS of experience the counter steer setup is a huge handful, basically impossible to drive straight with. Pure RWD would be even worse if you're running hard tires (needed to slide). It has been done, but it's hardly something that is popular. You would see a lot more rwd drift kits if it was really better. Just for the record I'm not new to the hobby either, I've been racing off road stadium trucks since I was 8.

MarkRacerX 12-26-2012 04:20 PM

HPI E10/ Sprint 2 bodies
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bestwheelbase (Post 621954)

With these you are limited to their pre-painted bodies. Where is the fun in that?

It comes w/ pre-painted body, but you can still get a plain shell to custom paint for it, has the height adjustment for various bodies that fit E10 or Sprint 2 I know offhand :happy0180:

Fun car, def want a quick charger and more batteries for those people considering/ new to RC Cars!

bestwheelbase 12-26-2012 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkRacerX (Post 628105)
Fun car, def want a quick charger and more batteries for those people considering/ new to RC Cars!

Yep, absolutely! It sucks waiting around for your lone battery to charge. Multiple packs = nonstop fun!

One day I will post my charging rig. I can charge a half dozen packs simultaneously, and super fast.

jshadeck 12-26-2012 05:12 PM

Drive ur real frs while waiting ;)

Supermassive 12-26-2012 06:35 PM

Well I've had a Tamiya GT86 body on my Team Associated TC6.1 ever since they came out, and have yet to run into anyone else with the body where i run mine. For those wondering, no it's not cheap, you could buy the Scion RC branded RC car for what i paid for just my speed control, but I got bit by the RC bug hard!

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y21...s/IMAG0209.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y21...s/IMAG0211.jpg

This thing will hit about 45 actual mph and will drift with the best of them...AWD drifting is pretty fun!

blur 12-26-2012 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wparsons (Post 627978)
Have you driven an RC drift car yet? I've driven mine which is awd, no one way and same gear ratio on both axles, and I've also driven one with a pretty extreme "counter steer" setup (over drives the rear axle so the rear tires are always spinning faster under power) and unless you have LOTS of experience the counter steer setup is a huge handful, basically impossible to drive straight with. Pure RWD would be even worse if you're running hard tires (needed to slide). It has been done, but it's hardly something that is popular. You would see a lot more rwd drift kits if it was really better. Just for the record I'm not new to the hobby either, I've been racing off road stadium trucks since I was 8.

I own 2 nitro savages and have already experimented with a nitro RWD Rs4. It's all about preference, not about what is "better" or "popular". And the guy in the vid clearly had no issues keeping up with the 4wds, I dont understand how you can write it off because it takes skill... learning is half the fun!

bestwheelbase 12-27-2012 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by UltraFRS (Post 627705)
So here's what my wife got me for Christmas. I've got to put it together, paint it, and buy some of the electronics for it...but I think it'll be fun.

Awesome gift! If you need any help along the way, post or PM us. We've been running TT-01 variants for a long time. Very familiar with it.

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Originally Posted by Supermassive (Post 628365)
Well I've had a Tamiya GT86 body on my Team Associated TC6.1 ever since they came out, and have yet to run into anyone else with the body where i run mine.

Very cool! But for the novices reading this, let's be clear... @Supermassive is running a more advanced kit designed for competitive racing. You do not have to spend that kind of money ($400 just for the bare chassis) to have fun in this hobby.

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Originally Posted by blur (Post 628462)
I own 2 nitro savages and have already experimented with a nitro RWD Rs4. It's all about preference, not about what is "better" or "popular". And the guy in the vid clearly had no issues keeping up with the 4wds, I dont understand how you can write it off because it takes skill... learning is half the fun!

Nitro stuff is different because the cars are heavier and react differently to input. @wparsons was simply clarifying that AWD is a very common setup for drifting rc cars. The drift tires (i.e. plastic tubing) are easily controlled with an AWD platform. Lots of people have rc cars that look like a 2-wheel drive body (example: FRS), but the chassis is actually AWD (example: the HPI & Tamiya kits we've been discussing). People new to the hobby might be confused by this, so it's worth clarifying.

Also, in those videos posted earlier -- those were all AWD cars.

Supermassive 12-27-2012 02:52 AM

Yeah I didn't mean to make it seem like it's expensive for entry...it's just when you get bit...well it can get pricey...

Here's my collection...so far...

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y21...s/IMAG0216.jpg

bestwheelbase 12-27-2012 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Supermassive (Post 629074)
Yeah I didn't mean to make it seem like it's expensive for entry...it's just when you get bit...well it can get pricey...

Here's my collection...so far...

Yep. Just like full size cars. You can spend a lot if you choose. Or you can have a modest budget and learn to out-drive the guys with big expensive cars. :thumbup:

Fun collection! We play in the dirt a little as well...


I got a tiny indoor helicopter as a gift... it's a lot of fun. But I'm sticking with cars for now.

bestwheelbase 12-27-2012 03:12 AM

Speaking of 40+mph RC cars, here's a video for anybody who wants to see what a race looks like.

Just watch how they sprint down the straightaway.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYiIgDg0fd4"]Open Modified Touring Car A-Main - 2012 Canadian Onroad Nationals - YouTube[/ame]

Supermassive 12-27-2012 03:48 AM

What kind of heli did you get I have a little opposed rotor one thats 4 channel...I'll have to look at it when I get home. Its a blast once you get used to it and switch to high rate, been seriously considering a 3D heli but am a little worried that I'll destroy it first time I try to fly it...

Also your outdoor track looks so nice compared to the desert clay/sand we have here in Phoenix :-)

wparsons 12-27-2012 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blur (Post 628462)
It's all about preference, not about what is "better" or "popular". And the guy in the vid clearly had no issues keeping up with the 4wds, I dont understand how you can write it off because it takes skill... learning is half the fun!

It's not just skill... it's limitations in the environments too. Notice they're on carpet, not concrete or asphalt. Carpet is WAY higher grip. I looked and couldn't find a single video of a drifting rwd car on concrete or asphalt. The cars also need a ton more steering lock to work as rwd only.

Not saying it can't be done, but I would bet that if you tried on pavement it would do nothing but spin. If I get my drift car up to about half speed and either floor it, or try to turn it just slides all over the place.

pete39sp 12-27-2012 10:16 AM

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This is way too cool! I have to get one to add to my RC collection. I'm into RC gas and fast electric boats and can't wait to get one of these.One of the best things about the FR-S is I can put my 60" MTI Cat in it.

blur 12-27-2012 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by wparsons (Post 629255)
Not saying it can't be done, but I would bet that if you tried on pavement it would do nothing but spin. If I get my drift car up to about half speed and either floor it, or try to turn it just slides all over the place.

Do I really have to search for you... gosh
First result on youtube for "2wd rc drift"
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APIrg7cEVYw"]2WD Rc Drift Revolution HB Cyclone 2WD Drifting - YouTube[/ame]


Quote:

The cars also need a ton more steering lock to work as rwd only.
Yes, just like real life

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Originally Posted by bestwheelbase (Post 629070)
Nitro stuff is different because the cars are heavier and react differently to input. wparsons was simply clarifying that AWD is a very common setup for drifting rc cars. The drift tires (i.e. plastic tubing) are easily controlled with an AWD platform. Lots of people have rc cars that look like a 2-wheel drive body (example: FRS), but the chassis is actually AWD (example: the HPI & Tamiya kits we've been discussing). People new to the hobby might be confused by this, so it's worth clarifying.

I agree, it is a common setup and easy to learn.
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Originally Posted by bestwheelbase (Post 629070)
Also, in those videos posted earlier -- those were all AWD cars.

Not true.

IloveBaldEagles 12-27-2012 08:54 PM

Since this is HPI. Is it belt or shaft awd?

Gixxersixxerman 12-27-2012 09:09 PM

I forgot what my on road car was.. But I raced B3 and XXX buggies off road for a bit.. On road was just to fast for me lol.. As you can see in the video, quick quick reflexes are needed.. One of my favorite rc trucks was my T-MAXX I probably had 5k I to it total.. And then went to a revo which I loved.. I've been looking into getting a FRS drift car... But I know me... Me and rc.. Well If I get the bug again, not another part would be bought for the real FRS.. I spend way to much on rc stuff.. At one time I had more into my rc cars then I did in my GSX eclipse lol

Supermassive 12-27-2012 10:45 PM

I wouldnt mind building a RWD drift setup...I really like how they try to make them as realistic as possible with full interiors, working lights, etc. I think it would be fun, and way way way cheaper than going the full on touring car route...my TC6.1 is just under $1200, and I'm using a class restricted motor, with something a bit hotter I could easily break into the 50+ mph arena. I still have to adjust my brakes on my TC6.1 though. My SC10 4x4 is about $1500 and is pretty much overkill at the tracks around here, it's almost too fast, but at the dirt bike tracks its a riot. I also have an Associated B44.1 Factory which is my current favorite, I've always had a soft spot for 4WD buggies and this one is pretty much the best money can buy. It flies really well, love how you can actually adjust the car mid air to land smoothly every time...it takes a bit of practice but man the first time you stick a landing perfect all you want to do is jump and shout Hell Yeah! The short course trucks are also pretty reactive in flight but not like the B44.1.

bestwheelbase 01-18-2013 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sekal (Post 630311)
Since this is HPI. Is it belt or shaft awd?

Shaft.

Speaking of the HPI cars, Scion recently posted pictures from a race they held. Some great examples of people having fun with the HPI cars. Link.

@UltraFRS - have you started on your Tamiya build yet?

Hardrock4445 01-18-2013 01:04 AM

Makes me giggle, I still have a tamiya tl-01 chassis kicking around, man was that thing a brick.


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