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2014 Silverado/Sierra

So today GM unveilled their new truck, all I have to say is I'm pretty underwhelmed with them, they look like the old one with a bigger grill and new headlights.

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/1888...jpg/xlarge.jpg
Especially considering they released a few "teaser" pics, I was expecting a nicer design.:sigh:

As for the interior..I'm still not sure if I like it or not. Quite modern though.
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/1888...jpg/xlarge.jpg

I like some of GM's product, I really want to like them but this seems like they aren't trying hard enough..again. It must really suck to be a designer @ GM, I still think all the other pickups still look better than this one.

But then I don't know jack about pick-up trucks. Anyone one else has opinions??

http://jalopnik.com/5968132/this-is-...hevy-silverado

The interior is a bit more utilitarian than most of the consumer market wants or needs. I'd have one, but I'm brand loyal. I'd have the Sierra though. GMC - GET MORE CASH. 5k uptick over an identical Silverado for some LED headlight trim..... sound familiar?

I still prefer the F-150 over the Silverado. Do you know if the Sierra will have the same interior?

Any confirmation on the big, supposed weight loss?

Not really in the market anyways. I parked my near-200k mi '02 1500 Silverado as my daily, since I got the FR. I will still use it as my tow rig (although greatly reduced as I'm going to run a street tire SCCA class now), and occasional hauler, when needed. Averages 16-17 in mixed driving w/ the 5.3 2wd.

It still looks almost new when it gets a good wash & runs like a swiss watch--besides it looks better than the new one lol!

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Originally Posted by M-17 (Post 607065)

I still prefer the F-150 over the Silverado. Do you know if the Sierra will have the same interior?

Essentially yes. There will more "fancy" trim, but same basic layout. We'll see what the Tahoe/Yukon/Escalade bring. They are usually more varied in interior layouts. Somewhat.

I really like the silverado, although I did grow up riding in the back of one :p My dad has a 2012 Harley Davidson F150 with the 6.2 and it is FAST, chevy has a big competition between power and efficiency with these trucks.

I haven't like GM trucks since well...maybe the first Z71's in the late 90's. It also doesn't help GM's case that as a company, they failed the US, by requiring a bailout from taxpayer money to stay in business because of poor management and lackluster design and quality.

That said, I drive a Titan, best damn truck I have ever driven...can't wait to see the new Titan design...hopefully it's just an evolutionary design so you can still tell its a Nissan.

I was brought up on GM products, and was loyal to them for a long time. If I was to go out and buy a domestic truck tomorrow (or in 2014 for that matter), it would be a Ford F150. With the EcoBoost twin turbo V6.

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Originally Posted by Supermassive (Post 610206)

I talked my friend out of a titan to buy a Chevy instead but I worked for GM for the plant that builds them so I'm a little bias in my opinion about trucks. I like the interior of the Chevy a little better and his had about 5k worth of aftermarket stuff like the dual flow master and split intake so it had a little more power to it. And the titan needs to loose that man step in the bottom lol. But I think they are both good dependable trucks and either choice would have been fine.

Also did you get your hood painted? I want to check out that bad boy the next time we all meet up.

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Based on what I have seen and read, this is going to be a fairly lackluster truck in comparison to it's counterparts from Ford and Toyota. The interior and exterior look cheesy beyond all belief, and the engine options are all outdated but one (the 6.2l V8). While Ford has been releasing an F-150 with a twin turbo 3.5l V6, GM/Chevy has only managed to wrangle a 28 year old 4.3l V6 into their Sierra/Silverado. How does the GM/Chevy's 5.3l V8 compare to the rest of the competition? Well, it produces 310hp and 345lb-ft of torque while Ford's 5.0l V8 produces 360hp and 380lb-ft of torque and Toyota's 4.6l V8 produces 310hp and 327lb-ft of torque. The same goes for GM/Chevy's 6.2l V8 when compared to Ford's 6.2l V8 and Toyota's 5.7l V8. I just don't understand why people will pony up the cash for one of these when you can buy a superior vehicle for the same, if not less, money.

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Originally Posted by Supermassive (Post 610206)

I love the Titan :) It's awesome for a truck, except for that it doesn't drive like the FR-S...although it's a lot less likely to get stuck lol.

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Originally Posted by LSxJunkie (Post 611420)

1. These new motors are going to be 11:1 compression, direct injection, with VVT (cam phasing only) and AFM (cylinder deactivation.) Sounds real outdated.

http://www.lsxtv.com/news/gen-v-fami...ncluding-a-v6/

2. The 4.3 V6 shares only displacement with the "28 year old motor" of which you speak. It shares NOTHING else. That motor features all the same basic technology found in the new LT1. That's like saying the 5.0 out of the Fox Mustang is the same as the 5.0 in the 2012 Boss 302.

3. The EcoBoost 3.5 V6 is not a lower tier engine for the F150, it's simply an alternative to the 5.0 V8. It actually costs more to option than They make comparable power and get comparable fuel mileage. The 4.3L EcoTec3 is going to be a base motor. Try comparing it to the base 3.7 V6 F150 instead.

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/08/04/c...or-towing-not/

http://www.cleveland.com/business/in..._ecoboost.html

If you get a trim level with the 5.0 standard, the EcoBoost is $1,095 more.

4. There are NO performance figures out for the new EcoTec3 5.3 or 6.2 motors. You're quoting numbers from the outgoing generation of Vortec motors.

http://www.lsxtv.com/news/gen-v-fami...ncluding-a-v6/

5. Displacement/power is meaningless in a vacuum. A Toyota 4.6 DOHC V8 makes as much power as a 5.3 OHV V8. Thanks for that stunning revelation. The OHV V8 is smaller, lighter, simpler to repair and maintain, and gets comparable gas mileage. The 4.6 is uses less displacement to skin this cat. BFD.

6. The outgoing Vortec 6.2 made 403hp/417tq. That is not the motor being released with this generation. That motor was released in 2007. But if you insist on continuing this apples to oranges comparison, the current Ford SOHC 6.2 makes 411/434. I wouldn't exactly call that killing the competition.

1. And they still can't keep up with the competition!

2. It actually shares the same architecture since it is a GM 90° V6 engine. Umm...yeah, and the Windsor 302 is completely different than the Coyote 5.0.

3. Just saying, the Ford 3.5l V6 option in the F-150 makes more power than the 4.3l V6 option in the GM/Chevy Silverado. Oh, and it gets better MPG's. Just to convince you: Ford 3.7l V6 (302/278) Vs. GM/Chevy 4.3l V6 (195/260). Which will you choose?

4. The engines are the same! Is it reasonable to think that the performance will be the same? Yep, I think so!

5. "smaller, lighter, simpler to repair and maintain, and gets comparable gas mileage" -- Prove it!

6. It's not killing, but it is certainly better than the GM/Chevy 6.2l V8.

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Originally Posted by LSxJunkie (Post 611645)

This is ridiculous. The engines are brand new. They share displacement and the fact that they're pushrod V8s. The power figures are not yet released. The 4.3 V6 you refer to was released in 2002. The 3.7 V6 was released in 2011. That's essentially apples to orangutans.

Vortec 5300 - 310/345, 9.9:1 compression, injectors in the intake, fixed timing.

If you insist that these are the same motors, take that motor, add direct injection and cam phasing, bump the compression to 11:1. What do you get? Oh, that's right, more power. Because that's what GM did for the current generation.

This is starting to just look like trolling.

Sure, they are brand new, but they still share the same basic architecture as the previous 28 years of the 4.3l GM 90-degree V6's. No, the power figures I refer to are from the 2013 Silverado/Sierra's. I'm sure that the power figures won't deviate much from 2013 to 2014, but, one thing is for sure, the power figures will pale in comparison to Ford's 3.5l and 3.7l V6's found in the F-150's and the 4.0l V6 found in the Tundras.

How much more power? The current 2013 generations with the 5.3l V8 only put out 315hp and 345lb-ft of torque.

I'm not trolling, I'm just trying to allow you to see outside your very narrow mindset. Better trucks can be had for essentially the same cost of the Silverdo/Sierra's.

Still rather have a Dodge, better looking, nicer interior, 5.7 Hemi with almost 400hp, 8 speed auto and available factory air suspension front and rear. I had a 2011 R/T and it was a beast but resale value was awful when they came out with the Express models.