calling ya local dealer
 

Called mine today.p

They Havnt got much news.said 8 June.. 8-6-2012... That's pretty cool. But I want it way sooner then that

Dealer I talked to said June as well, the reports from Leeky in Japan are saying April worldwide release though...US may be different?

dont trust the dealers until they can give you a brochure, the two dealers ive talked to over the weekend had no clue what was going on. one said it was going to be called the ft-86 mkII and have a 2.5 turboed FA motor in it(FA is the current one right? i keep forgetting) and the other guy had a blank look on his face and said "you probably know more than me" but both said release is mid next year, so i guess they know that atleast???

Most sales people at car dealerships are just plain shitheads, and very very very good shit talkers. Least that person that said "you probably know more than me" was being honest with you. Its hard to get correct information, unless you are speaking to someone that youve know for a while.

Have Perth members here been in contact with Toyota dealerships in the Perth metro region and been successful with getting info, release dates and prices??

Wouldnt mind knowing if it is just selected Toyota dealerships selling the GT86 or the lot.

Probably just direct your questions on Toyota Aus Facebook page.

Dont use/have facebook.

Might go into the city one this week and ask.

But the problem with dealers are, they don't know sh17.....

Dealerships dont know shit like Calais said......

But FUCK JUNE....

If i aint got mine by late march early april ill start losing it.........

you all know how i roll... I get emails...

Yet another email that will crush as all!!

This is from Toyota PR people... :'(
http://86-club.com/images/86date.png

Crushing blow!!! I was hoping for April!!!-June release... 3/4 = a year from now!!!

Unless he is talking financial years ahah! then April would be correct :P

Subaru's website stated April 2012 as the US "on sale" date.

Keeping my fingers crossed.


Justin

Us Aussies always get screwed, I wouldn't be surprised if it was released in Japan and the US April, then Europe and eventually Australia in June...guess it gives me a bit more time to save.

Lol yes we do always get screwed over!! I am ready for the car now :P

i want it now but it's best financially for me if i buy in 2013 so i don't care when it's released in 2012 lol

I went and saw New Town Toyota. Seeing they are the largest dealer in Perth I figure they will get the largest volume of 86's. The first sales guy I spoke to was helpful and knew a little bit about the car but he has now left and I has been passed to another bloke who is useless. I'm going to go speak to the sales manager in future.
I was however able to out down a conditional deposit for the 86 to secure it when it comes on sale. They told me release was looking to be around June. I'm going to go back and see them just before xmas to see if things have changed.

New Town Toyota is the folks just off Shepperton road isnt it? Keep us updated with how everything unfolds, if they are a decent dealership i might go there myself.

Just waiting out here to what Subaru Austalia is doing. BRZ is more on my mind, but if that doesnt go the way i would like it to, ill go with a GT86.

New Town Toyota is on Welshpool Rd (Vic Park end).
I'll be back in town Tuesday week so i'll pay them a visit a day or two after. I'll let you know ;)

There was an article in The West Motoring section last weekend about the BRZ. Apparently the head honcho was going to say No because it isn't AWD, but then after he drove it he had was contemplating bringing it over. Also the whole not being front wheel drive helped... So lets see what happens. :)

Know where it is now, just nearby the railroad crossing. When im near that area ill be sure to give that place a visit, ask a few questions.

I read last weekends West Motoring section also, had the pic of the prototype BRZ with the black rear wing, short discussion with what might happen in the near future. I am feeling discretely confident that Subaru Australia will release the BRZ here, and that the car would be progressively integrated into the Subaru line up, being sure not to disturb the Subaru All4theDrive philosophy that Nick Senior is so worried about. It will be good for the consumers here if the BRZ gets released, means the pricing between the two brands will be kept at a reasonable price.

Im going to see how the next month, then next six months pan out, make my decision in time. Im veering more towards a white BRZ, manual of course.

Toyota TRD 86... Forever... :)

Never brought a new car till now (sorry when the 86 is released)

Can someone with experience or better yet a former salesman give us all hints on the best possible way to buy a new car.

I know 2 local Toyota's places that would probably be the better place compared to the rest.

But i mean im Near Newcastle, would their be an advantage going to Sydney for example.

As always, any help appreciated.

That's a good topic actually... anyone have some hints on getting good deals? Preferably from ex-salesmen?

I know that other than model changes, usually some of the best times to get deals are at the end of the calendar month. This is because the dealership usually has targets set (and numbers submitted).

Also helps to give the impression that you're happy to walk away at any time, because the second that they think you're sold, they stop negotiating. Usually their tactic is to make you agree that you intend to make a purchase before even hitting the negotiating stage (in my experience), which really does put the buyer on the back foot.

You're more likely to be able to get dealership fitted accessories rather than them dropping the price. Floor mats, protectors, mag wheels are all things that are pretty easy to get added on because there's virtually no labour involved.

Even though they're going to make it very hard (to the point of trying to make you feel guilty), definitely go around to a number of dealerships and try and get their best offer. They're probably going to be a bit hesitant to reveal their hand before you commit to going with them, but at the end of the day you can always walk away. Once you can get one to cave in and negotiate with you, without a purchase, then it's going to make it a lot easier for you to talk to other dealers as you've got some ammo.

I think also it helps a LOT if before you go to the dealerships, you write down exactly what you want in the car. This is for every kind of option, from extended warranty to accessories. Next to every accessory, write down what you definitely want, what you'd like but don't need, and what you're not interested in at all (even rank them by number if you're keen). Give this to the dealer so that they can add in as much as they can, because they'll know what they can add as a value-add without costing them too much. When showing them this, make sure you mention that you'll need it back so you can talk to other dealers about these options too (they're going to know you're keen when they see this, but it's going to be a better deal for everyone when they see it).

Thanks Pugz some good points there.

I have been stung once with the "commitment to purchase before negotiate" from a car yard, i wont name names but me and the missus got taken too the dry cleaners hard core, assholes.

Anyways lessons learnt is knowledge gained i guess.

My main concern is and i know its wishful thinking but i aim to get the base price down.

1* Depending on what the factory fitted stereo is but i don't wont it,
2* Give me steel wheels not alloys, ill get my own.
3* I dont wont cruise control i may not have a choice in that thou.
4* Ill add in TRD adjustable suspension
5* Most likely get seat covers and tint.

The first 3 are the main ones, base price in theory should be lower, i don't want them and they don't need add $$ for warranty as i don't have them.

I do actually know someone that works at Sydney City Parts perhaps i need to call him up.

The best time to buy is always the end of financial year.

End of mth works if u have finance/cash ready as it takes a few days to a week (or even more) to arrange finance plus a few days for the finance company to arrange fund.

Usually the general rule is unless the friend is really a good friend who will look after you. It's probably better to try somewhere else so u get a feel how much discount u will get. Then ask the friend to go better.

Also do NOT buy any dealer fitted accessories if they can be done from aftermarket. The biggest ones are window tints and paint protection. They are rip offs and dealer is only trying to regain some of the discount already given you. If its factory options (eg leather trim, HID, Sunroof etc) then obviously u have no choice.

Navigation/head units/speakers etc are better off getting aftermarket as well. U get better stuff at a cheaper price.

Also try to sell your old car privately than trade in.

Plus i remember ready something about the car isn't officially sold untill you take delivery of it. Does that sound right to any one.

I plan to use Toyota finance for the remaining monies owing as ill have a trade in. So they'll get monies back out of me anyways. But ill suss out other deals in the mean time.

Car is sold when paper is signed and a deposit is taken. Until then you can walk away at any time, don't let them guilt you into thinking otherwise!

Another thing is that if they're matching supply with demand (as in they're getting as many units as they can from Japan and getting rid of them pretty quickly), then the chance of getting a decent discount is going to be bugger all from the manufacturer and you'll only be able to get the dealers to basically compete with each other on delivery cost.

Another thing dealerships love is if you tell them you're happy to get your car serviced with them too, as they make good money off servicing. With fixed price servicing these days from most dealerships, they're pretty good at competing with non-dealership mechanics now. Dealerships are more likely to implement service notes that might come out too (eg, checking of specific components that the manufacturer has concerns over prior to a recall notice). So there is an advantage of going with them, so if this is a real possibility for you I'd suggest putting this on the table as part of your side of the negotiation.

Car is not a sale until contract is unconditional. I always put in a subject to finance clause in and ask the dealer for a finance quote. I will also tell them I will get finance quote thur my bank as well. The reason I do that is I can cancel the contract if my finance falls through and get my contract cancelled and deposit returned. If u only get finance from the dealer and if they approved it then the finance clause no longer applies. I want to keep my option open even if I pay cash. U are likely to get more discount if they think u will get finance from them as they will get commission as well. I will only tell them my finance is fine when they can give me a VIN. U must not start your finance application with them. Only ask for a quote and tell them I would want to speak to my bank first.

Once I get my VIN (I ask them to supply that to me so I can get insurance) they have allocated a car to me and can't play tricks where they keep delaying delivery by saying the car is not here blah blah and in fact sell the cars to other customers who are willing to pay more for the car. U will be stuck and can't cancel the contract and go somewhere else. Another way is put in a delivery date clause (ie. must deliver by a certain date or contract cancelled). This wont work if u are ordering a car in)

Cheers fellas, all good points, many thinking to be done i guess.

Wow thanks for this information!!! :happyanim:

No worries man. Maybe there will be a few people from your local area and you can buy together. Buying a few cars together will pretty much guaranteed good deals!!

hello 1st post. :)

Seems like some of you are getting the mad run around from your stealerships?

If it helps, I have made my pre-order and placed a deposit on a Silver 6MT 86 through Sydney City Toyota.

They cannot tell you too much right now but have indicated to me a price of $38K + ORC if you are not happy with the costing once its released to them, you can pull the pin on your order and get a full refund.

Hope this helps!

cheers

Wow already? At this stage I don't think any dealer knows the pricing and spec yet.

Given the amout of Bne members here maybe we can organize a group buy??

That sounds like a good idea. Dealership that can give the best deal for a lot of 5-10 cars wins, haha.

Is 5+ cars considered fleet?

Cheers PuGZor & Nardi330 for the helpful hints!

Would putting a deposit down, hurt negotiating as they know you're ready to commit?

Contemplating whether to put a deposit down or not. :happy0180:

Hey Nardi, when the car is close to release in Australia, you should create a new thread for all the BNE buyers and get a group buy.
I for one will definitely be getting one.
Its just a matter of what spec is on offer at what price.

I feel left out ! No sydney buyers. !

Most if not all dealers won't start negotiating unless u show geninue interest in signing at the spot. If u are serious in doing a deal u make damn sure to tell them that u will sign and give a deposit today at this price. Unless the price is way off then they will most likely say yes or tell u that it's close but u will need to raise a little (most likely a few hundreds). At this point u can either raise a little or walk out and try a different dealer.

Usually I will walk out for the first dealer I visited as now I have an idea what the price will approximately be (give or take a few hundreds). I will then visit or call another dealer. Tell them that I have just visited a dealer but I didn't like the deal and I will buy at the above failed price and see if they can do it. if they won't then it's likely to be just a little too low so u might just have to raise it. I will also tell them that I have lots of spare time and I am happy to travel to other dealers around the city. U might also want to try some dealer that are further away from the city as their volume is generally is lower and might be more eager to do deals.

Remember to get a good deal, be prepared to spend a little time and efforts. There are lots of little tricks they may use and u need to know what u are doing. Good luck!!

Yeah man. Group buy for Bne ppl closer to release!!

U can join us if u want. The dealer can organize a temp Rego for u so u can fly up and drive it back home and Rego the car in NSW. U will have a great time and the car has run-in when u got back lol

Cheers for the tips Nardi! :thumbsup:
Would it be better to wait for the price announcement from Toyota before making a deposit?

Personally I wouldn't but it doesn't really matter either way as long as u can get your deposit back if u r unhappy once the final price and spec is released. To me it's a little hard to negotiate when u have already paid a deposit......