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Hounddub 01-20-2012 02:51 AM

Thanks Ren. Personally it was an easy choice. After having a Renault R26 in Australia I'm done with front wheel drive (the Veloster would have taken a back seat to a Megane R250 anyway), but this time I wanted a RWD machine......loved my S15 all those years ago!

renyeo 01-20-2012 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Hounddub (Post 117410)
Thanks Ren. Personally it was an easy choice. After having a Renault R26 in Australia I'm done with front wheel drive (the Veloster would have taken a back seat to a Megane R250 anyway), but this time I wanted a RWD machine......loved my S15 all those years ago!

The Megane R26 is a leftist choice by local standards. In any case, you have made a right choice by going with the GT-86. Enjoy the drive! :popcorn:

mockngbrd 01-21-2012 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sazu (Post 115618)
Basically the government's trying to control the number of cars on the road. Their so called "solution" is to to make car buyers buy Certificate Of Entitlement (COE). COE for a 2.0 litre car now costs about S$65k. So COE + a typical 2.0 litre Honda Civic today costs about S$135k.

not just that dude. in addition to COE, our import taxes and duties come to around 130% of the car's value.

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Originally Posted by Hounddub (Post 116938)
Oh Come on guys. Given I AM an Aussie and living in Singapore I have the best perspective.

Cars are definitely more expensive here in Singapore....but 10 year financing at nominal interest rates make monthly payments LESS than Australia.....not to mention PARF and COE rebates for early scrapping.

Well-priced HDB? What you been smoking? i want some :lol:

Taking on a 10year finance scheme might give you lower repayment rates BUT after 10years what happens to the car you've been paying for? You have to pay another tens of thousands just to keep your car another 10 years or deregister it.

like you said, good and bad. For car guys in SG, it's mostly bad. :iono:

sazu 01-22-2012 09:07 PM

Welcome back to Sillypore bro mockngbrd. How's yur Japan trip? Did u get to sit in the 86? Saw your photos. Great captures !

renyeo 01-23-2012 08:25 AM

Toyobaru have two new competitors in 2013 and 2014.

Come '13, Fiat will sell the impossible drop dead goreous Alfa Romeo 4C small two-seater coupe. Featuring Alfa's turbocharged, 1.8-liter 4-pot 1750TBi engine, the 4C is bestowd with 230hp and decimates the century sprint in 4.5 seconds. Sub-5 seconds timing are not surprising given 4C's rumored kerb weight of just 900 kg - that's almost 300 kilos leaner than the GT-86! :respekt:

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/...2/50ff5231.jpg
Alfa's 4C is destined for production and goes on sale in 2013.

Mazda will inject fresh enthusiasm into the MX5-Miata brand by rolling out an all-new car in 2014 or there round about. To be built with state-of-the-art all-encompassing SkyActiv technologies, 'ND' MX5-Miata will ride on a RWD'd SkyActiv platform and loses the current weighty 1.8-and 2.0-liter engines for smaller, fuel-efficient SkyActiv gasoline unit developing about 130hp. A turbocharged 1.5 is also said to be on the cards. Like the 4C, the new 2-seater roadster will take advantage of lightness to offer a competitive power-to-weight ratio. Mazda is aiming for a sub-1,000 kg target on the Miata, with one insider claiming the figures of 800 kg! :confused0068:

http://i52.tinypic.com/51aud.jpg
An artist's impression of 2014 ND MX5-Miata.

renyeo 01-23-2012 09:38 PM

Toyota fording ahead with direct-injection downsized turbochargers

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/...GRMN-Yaris.jpg

Toyota is rumored to be working on a slew of new downsized, turbocharged engines.

This school of thoughts has gained traction recently boosted by an article in The Detroit Bureau.

According to the report, the next generation Corolla is widely expected to receive Toyota's first downsized, direct-injected turbocharged engine. A blown unit will also be introduced into the 2012 Camry lineup as an option without waiting for a full model change.

Meanwhile, Toyota has pulled together a turbocharged Yaris sub-compact with the help of GRMN, or Gazoo Racing Masters of Nuburgring. Industry observes say the one-off, 178 hp Vitz Turbo Concept (photo) is a sign of things to come from Toyota.

Full story - http://www.thedetroitbureau.com/2012...-turbo-engines

:happy0180:

renyeo 01-24-2012 08:25 AM

http://www.ft86club.com/?p=1158

Shocker: GT-86 managed a paltry 170hp at the dyno. :cry:

WTF! Am I missing something? :bonk:

sazu 01-24-2012 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by renyeo (Post 120436)
http://www.ft86club.com/?p=1158

Shocker: GT-86 managed a paltry 170hp at the dyno. :cry:

WTF! Am I missing something? :bonk:

170hp?? wth happen to the other 30hp?

sazu 01-24-2012 10:53 PM

Our road tax might increase if LTA were to implement this : http://www.greenbusinesstimes.com/20...ased-tax-news/

renyeo 01-25-2012 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by sazu (Post 120915)
170hp?? wth happen to the other 30hp?

Apparently, I lacked understanding in this subject as the folks on the thread here were praising the low rate of drivetrain loss: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3416

:sigh:

renyeo 01-25-2012 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by sazu (Post 120922)
Our road tax might increase if LTA were to implement this : http://www.greenbusinesstimes.com/20...ased-tax-news/

As far as I understand, the proposed emissions-based tax could become an add-on component to the costs of a new vehicle in addition to payable excise duties.

This is probably a one-time only payment. One could interpolate that it has the potential to replace the current engine size-based road tax regime but there is no official word on this topic yet.

The aforementioned tax, also known as carbon tax, punishes high CO2 tailpipe emissions but encourages adoption of cleaner and greener vehicles such as hybrids.

UK, for example, exempts vehicles with less than 100g/km of CO2 emissions from road tax and London's congestion charges.

sazu 01-28-2012 08:31 PM

Anyone saw yesterday's Straits Times (28th Jan)? I missed it but there was a report for the basic car price of GT86.


$170,000 :thumbdown:
The rest of the world must be laughing at us now.

Got this info from mycarforum ( http://www.mycarforum.com/index.php?...&#entry4222798 )

mockngbrd 01-29-2012 04:08 AM

yes, i also did the math on mcf... comparing a new 86 with a mid 2008 BMW 125i Coupe from PML.

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Here's a used 125i:
http://www.sgcarmart.com/used_cars/info.ph...452&DL=1016

depreciation according to the ad is approx 15k a year.

A brand new 86 is going for 170k, take into account an rough OMV value of $32,000 (i'm just guessing) , your depreciation is $15,240. Even if optimistically, OMV is $35,000, your depreciation will be approx $15,075. Quite similar to the BMW no? But of course a big disadvantage of the BMW will be the road tax.

I really like the 86, but one of it's selling points and key development milestones was to have it at a price point within reach of young people. Unfortunately, at $15,000+ a year depre, there are many other cars out there worth considering. MX5s, RX8s, Fairladies, BMWs and maybe at a stretch, Elises, 1st generation Boxsters. If you want to go even further back in time, FC/FD RX7s too. All great cars to drive and have fun in. All RWD.

If talking about warranty of new car vs no warranty of old cars, imo, buyers of the 86 are probably gonna throw the warranty into the bin once it steps out of the showroom. And BMWs without warranty, there are many competent BMW specialist workshops out there. If warranty bugs you, then by all means go for the new car.

I'm not the only one comparing the 86 with used cars, even the latest issue of REV SPEED is comparing the 86 with a selection of new and used sports cars at different price points and where the 86 fits in.

twitism 01-30-2012 01:36 PM

i'm going down this sat to make my refundable deposit guys!

been waiting for this moment for so long! :party0030:

Hounddub 01-31-2012 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by twitism (Post 123594)
i'm going down this sat to make my refundable deposit guys!

been waiting for this moment for so long! :party0030:

I really enjoyed the day I did it too. The guys at BM told me that the people registered on the web registration form will be invited to the official launch too.

mockngbrd 02-09-2012 02:34 AM

any updates from BM?

sazu 02-10-2012 04:08 AM

nothing from me. I lost hope after the last COE bidding

Maverick28 02-10-2012 10:47 PM

@sazu

Me too... I'm already starting to look at alternatives...

Who knows, this might be a blessing in disguise, a few years later when COE falls back to normal levels, there might be a supercharged or STI version...

twitism 02-10-2012 11:18 PM

the SE at BM told me she'll contact me once the car's here for a testdrive and that's about it

mockngbrd bro.. u're in vagsg as well? haha

mockngbrd 02-11-2012 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by twitism (Post 131839)
mockngbrd bro.. u're in vagsg as well? haha

yup. as well as bmw.sg

Autumnkoup 02-18-2012 11:41 PM

anyway, wnat does it entails for putting the refundable deposit with them? Cant be just to inform one for testdrive? should have other interesting items i guess? anyone knows?

Hounddub 02-20-2012 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Autumnkoup (Post 137160)
anyway, wnat does it entails for putting the refundable deposit with them? Cant be just to inform one for testdrive? should have other interesting items i guess? anyone knows?

Or maybe to attend previews and launch events.

Autumnkoup 02-20-2012 11:59 AM

yah.... let's just wait and see... anyway, what is the main diff between GT86 and BRZ in terms of performance wise putting aesthetics aside...

Maverick28 02-20-2012 09:58 PM

Performance? I don't think there is any thing major at this point. Reviews have said the BRZ to have tighter steering, but these are all adjustable tweaks. Engine-wise, handling-wise, they are pretty much identical.

Autumnkoup 02-21-2012 09:58 AM

if that is the case, hopefully the price is pretty similar then... i guess which ever brand that comes into the singapore market first would be grabbing the bigger pie....

FeLcRoN 02-23-2012 02:27 AM

Hi guys! I finally found this thread after reading this forum for the past 6 months. I love the GT 86 and can't wait to see it on our shores.

I just contacted my BM contact and he say the car should arrive in Jun2012. Most likely going down to place my refundable deposit next month. But looking at the latest COE spike, the car might be hitting $200K when it finally arrive. That is ridiculous!!! Let's hope a miracle will happen and bring the COE back to sensible levels!

BTW will you guys choose an auto or manual version? I am torn between this 2 because I need to commute to the city and the jam will kill me!

Autumnkoup 02-23-2012 10:41 AM

i shouild take up the AT cause i am always onbe of the vehicle in the morning jam along Lornie road.... prefer driving pleasure....

Recent COE is really atrocious...... let's just hope for miracle...

FeLcRoN 02-23-2012 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumnkoup (Post 140544)
i shouild take up the AT cause i am always onbe of the vehicle in the morning jam along Lornie road.... prefer driving pleasure....

Recent COE is really atrocious...... let's just hope for miracle...

I nearly fainted when I saw the latest bidding. Can easily buy my car 3 years back with change left.

I'm also thinking of getting AT cause the thought of shifting gears multiple times in a jam is not funny. But I will decide after test drive cos I love driving stick back during the army days.

Have you placed your refundable deposit yet?

Hounddub 02-24-2012 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by FeLcRoN (Post 141027)

Have you placed your refundable deposit yet?

Yes.....Black.....MT

twitism 03-02-2012 06:04 AM

Blue... MT!! Although I have not driven a MT for almost 8 years now.. I wonder how screwed up my test drive will be.. hahaa

mockngbrd 03-05-2012 04:30 AM

Just got this in the mail... but no price

http://i44.tinypic.com/hu2d1v.jpg

brandon 03-05-2012 11:19 AM

Hi Guys, joined this forum quite some time ago. Have been following all the action since concept I .

However, after all the effort, I would say the COE just killed my calculator when I tried to key in possible figures.

Most probably I will wait till COE goes down. No matter 2013-2014-2015. Its a great car, but not for $200k.

Sigh...

sazu 03-07-2012 08:07 AM

Same situation with you Brandon. I think once BRZ price / OMV is out, we can roughly estimate 86's price.

Autumnkoup 03-12-2012 07:58 AM

true.... currently in the new Top Gear magazine, it mentioned that the estimated price for the 86 is around 25,000 pounds.... looking at this price, i really think that if i pay a $200k for 86, i will be a laughing stock by international friends.... =) so will wait for COE to be reasonable..... no choice, i am just a humble driver in sg...

FeLcRoN 03-12-2012 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumnkoup (Post 154177)
true.... currently in the new Top Gear magazine, it mentioned that the estimated price for the 86 is around 25,000 pounds.... looking at this price, i really think that if i pay a $200k for 86, i will be a laughing stock by international friends.... =) so will wait for COE to be reasonable..... no choice, i am just a humble driver in sg...

And they place it around the range of Scirocco. If it is close to 1.4L, den it is around $140,000 (I hope). But if it is close to 2.0L, den you are right at $200K.

With that amount of dough, we can get 4 GT86 in UK :confused0068:

Hounddub 03-12-2012 11:13 PM

Hey all.

I just had a call from the guys at Borneo Motors with an update on my order.

They told me that the first cars will be in Singapore end of next month/ first week of May but not available to be shown to the public until the launch. They apparently can't show it in the showroom until its passed LTA clearance.

BUT, they said that the people who have registered in their online system will be invited to a secret first viewing as soon as it arrives and you can only attend if you have registered.

If you have any friends who are remotely interested in the car you have to tell them this.... clearly they are looking to give priority to the people who have shown early interest.

I've just checked the link if you want to forward it to anyone. www.youcanuseit.com/pre-prm/toyota/gt-86/

mockngbrd 03-14-2012 12:25 AM

got price? ?

triplej 03-14-2012 03:45 AM

Hi guys,just heard that the price of Subaru BRZ should be ard $180k.hope this help :)

sazu 03-14-2012 04:32 AM

Welcome to the forum triplej.
Where did u hear this BRZ price info from?

triplej 03-14-2012 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by sazu (Post 155617)
Welcome to the forum triplej.
Where did u hear this BRZ price info from?

Thanks for the welcome bro.From a friend of mine who just book the Brz :)


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