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renyeo 12-20-2011 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by mockngbrd (Post 101349)
someone on mycarfourm mentioned borneo salesmen estimates a 200k pricetag come apr2012... i'd rather buy a resale BMW 125i coupe (or 350z, or bmw 130i hatch or etc etc - or stretch abit and a resale Elise is within reach)...

i think Akio Toyoda will also tell you don't buy his car at $200k. totally defeats the spirit of the car.

i'd like to have one in grey tho, with either Super Advans or TEr37s

Hi mockngbrd, Carbuyer mag places the price at around $160k at current COE prices.

Like you, I am going to walk away at $200k but unlike yours, I will go get a Thai-made year 2013 model Corolla. :)

I am anticipating that prices will fall to $120k in '15-'16. Until then, I am hoping it's not all a pipe dream! Haha! ;)

renyeo 12-20-2011 07:42 AM

$25 grand in America for the BRZ?! To a Singaporean, that's small change and bargain of the century. Darn.

mockngbrd 12-20-2011 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by renyeo (Post 101395)
$25 grand in America for the BRZ?! To a Singaporean, that's small change and bargain of the century. Darn.

i keep telling my friends, if we in USA, we all rolling in Porsches already.

FireHorse 12-21-2011 03:23 PM

hello everyone,

tks mockngbrd for introduction to this forum.

yes i love the look of GT86 and I like the look of celica and MRS although I never own one before.

i really hope the pricing of this car is within my reach and the coe can drop by another 10k~20k by 2013 would be nice.

looking forward to drive and own the 86 and have a 86 meet in kallang.

:)

renyeo 12-21-2011 06:20 PM

Welcome, FireHorse! Kallang meet sounds good. :) :popcorn:

michaelscw 12-21-2011 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mockngbrd (Post 101349)
someone on mycarfourm mentioned borneo salesmen estimates a 200k pricetag come apr2012... i'd rather buy a resale BMW 125i coupe (or 350z, or bmw 130i hatch or etc etc - or stretch abit and a resale Elise is within reach)...

i think Akio Toyoda will also tell you don't buy his car at $200k. totally defeats the spirit of the car.

i'd like to have one in grey tho, with either Super Advans or TE37s

$200k will be too pricey.:eyebulge: priced higher than some conti coupes. mini coupe now only abt $180k

FireHorse 12-22-2011 10:32 AM

personally i doubt they will price the 86 near the Mini Coupe.

S$15k~S$20k lower than mini coupe will be my take.

If same price as Mini Coupe, I will go for the mini with lower road tax.

michaelscw 12-30-2011 08:44 AM

According to sgcarmart article. Subaru brz expected in Q2 2012.

http://www.sgcarmart.com/news/writeup.php?AID=140

sazu 12-31-2011 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by michaelscw (Post 105886)
According to sgcarmart article. Subaru brz expected in Q2 2012.

http://www.sgcarmart.com/news/writeup.php?AID=140

Cool, even earlier than GT86. GT86 should cost less than BRZ right?

Hounddub 01-09-2012 02:27 AM

This pricing discussion is really tiresome.

If the US price is approx $30K (SGD$40K).

Then add 100% OMV + 40% import duty. = SGD$96K

Then add COE (@$70K)= $166K.....before delivery costs, road tax and GST.

I think price will be $180K at current COE.

FireHorse 01-09-2012 11:52 AM

sigh! with the quota for COE expected to be lower this year.... the dream of owning this car is dwindling.

reading threads in other countries, is an envy to see pricing in $30k~$40k range.

sazu 01-09-2012 06:54 PM

Precisely. And they're still complaining US$25k is expensive ! I was like wtf?? 25k & u're complaining it's expensive?? :mad0259:

They should come to Spore & see if they can even afford a Picanto :D

Maverick28 01-10-2012 04:10 AM

Hey guys,

Am another FT86 owner-wannabe in Singapore. Man, I hope it doesn't hit 200K, kinda defeats the purpose of the car...

sazu 01-10-2012 05:02 AM

Welcome on board Maverick28 !

renyeo 01-11-2012 02:38 AM

It is increasingly depressing when the hope of buying one diminishes with each round of COE bidding. Granted, Borneo Motors will not have problems shifting the entire lot even at $200,000 apiece but alternatives are plenty out there at this price point.

Maverick28 01-11-2012 07:11 AM

Just called Subaru and asked abt the BRZ. They are taking pre-orders now just like Toyota. No word on pricing but I asked the salesperson to give an educated guess, and he did say it will approach 200K. :( No way will I be able to afford that.

Autumnkoup 01-11-2012 12:49 PM

Hi all..... noticed about this toyota-subaru car sometime back... so decide to check more on the web and happen to notice this forum.... read on the carbuyer on this ride as well... hope the price would be more affordable, since it is a NA car......

renyeo 01-11-2012 07:43 PM

Welcome, autumnkoup! ;)

renyeo 01-12-2012 08:07 AM

Latest update: the number of CAT B COEs available for bidding in the next six months starting February will be cut from 706 to 699 per month, adding further pressure on existing sky-high premiums. It appears to me now SGD200,000 might be way too optimistic. It's a dog-gone scenario.

sazu 01-12-2012 09:10 AM

Mebbe there's still light at the end of the tunnel. Quote from CNA "LTA said the next COE quota announcement for the COE bidding period from August 2012 to January 2013 will be made in July 2012". That's when GT86 will be arriving & hopefully LTA will increase quota for CAT B then :)

Autumnkoup 01-13-2012 12:54 PM

fingers crossed and lets see how the COE would fare for by end of Feb.....

renyeo 01-15-2012 01:36 AM

Alternatively, plump for the 1.6-liter, 136hp Hyundai Veloster coupe which is rumored to hit town in March '12 at a wallet-friendly S$120,000.

Turbocharged, 201 hp Veloster 1.6 (photo) will arrive later in the year; prices are unconfirmed yet but should match Volkswagen's 160hp, entry-level model Scirocco 1.4 TSI's pricing of S$160,000 or there round about. Hyundai's new six-speed dual clutch 'box is standard across the range. All told, blown Velo is lotsa bang for your bucks! :)

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/...2/6cca0b5f.jpg

renyeo 01-15-2012 02:20 AM

Base model Veloster has a rival in the form of '12 Suzuki Swift Sport (photo).

Tipping the scale at a featherlight 1,100kg, Swift Sport gets a new naturally-aspirated, 134hp 1.6-liter mill. Given Suzuki's newfound flair in chassis tuning, the sporty sub-compact hatch should out-handle its Korean rival. Prices per current models. Expect a September '12 launch date.

You see, unless you are a hardcore drifter, the S$200k, 2.0-liter 197hp GT86/BRZ is increasingly difficult to justify. Just saying...

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/...2/b534654f.jpg

renyeo 01-15-2012 07:05 AM

And then there is the 2012 Renault Megane RS265 coupe (photo) arriving in mid-2012. Boasting 265hp from its turbocharged 2-liter lump, Wearnes Automotive will be asking S$180,000 for the most powerful Megane built to date.

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/...2/149e22b3.jpg

:laughabove:

Autumnkoup 01-15-2012 09:13 AM

hyundai's veloster should be considered as a hatchback, but do not expect its power to be like ft86.... =)

renyeo 01-15-2012 11:15 PM

Hatch notwithstanding, Ferrari FF is one furious beast! ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumnkoup (Post 114671)
hyundai's veloster should be considered as a hatchback, but do not expect its power to be like ft86.... =)


sazu 01-15-2012 11:24 PM

I think if 120k for the veloster not really worth it leh. Cos if I add a bit more, can get a 2.0L Honda civic. But looks wise, the veloster wins.

Anyone got any latest update/rumours from BM?

renyeo 01-16-2012 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by sazu (Post 114971)
I think if 120k for the veloster not really worth it leh. Cos if I add a bit more, can get a 2.0L Honda civic. But looks wise, the veloster wins.

Anyone got any latest update/rumours from BM?

I am afraid Kah Motor has axed the 2.0- and 1.8-liter models from Civic's lineup. Singapore-bound '12 Civic now come in either 1.5-or 1.6-liter guise, the former being a hybrid-only variant. Prices for the nineth generation Civic starts from $118,000. First deliveries before CNY are likely.:sigh:

Still, Euro Civic hatch with a turbocharged engine could be in the pipeline. :search:

Autumnkoup 01-16-2012 12:00 PM

anyway... i feel that the FT86 or BRZ without TC is really a waste, they should have an option for TC... but i believe with the light weight, this ride is somebody.....

EP3R 01-17-2012 02:05 AM

Hi I'm from Australia and I don't understand why it's so expensive for you guys to buy cars in Singapore.

I've been to Singapore about 6 months ago for a holliday.And you guys have crazy nice cars :)

Is it to do with pollution, environment standards or is the government trying to screw the people.

Here in oz the car may cost about
$40,000* AUD + $2500 to insure,regostration,stamp duty.

TOTAL $42,500AUD on the road !!

*Car cost is a gestimate.

sazu 01-17-2012 02:24 AM

Hi EP3R, great to see an Australian on board ! U're from Melbuorne? I was there for 2 years. Stayed at Glenferrie. Very nice place u got there.

If you love cars, Singapore is definitely not the place to be, unless u're rich.

Basically the government's trying to control the number of cars on the road. Their so called "solution" is to to make car buyers buy Certificate Of Entitlement (COE). COE for a 2.0 litre car now costs about S$65k. So COE + a typical 2.0 litre Honda Civic today costs about S$135k.

That's not the end of the sad news. This COE is only valid for 10years. So if u want to keep the car for another 10 years, u got to buy another COE again.

..as to where this COE $$ go to, I think u can make a good guess :D

EP3R 01-17-2012 02:30 AM

Thanks sazu for filling me in on the info.

Come to australia and just live here.lol.

Nice house $500,000 in Melbourne ,Australia.
Car $40,000

Get your passports ready

Best news is the car will be yours for ever until you want so sell it.

sazu 01-17-2012 02:39 AM

I know EP3R. Affordable cars, affordable houses, friendly cashiers :thumbsup: Very tempted to live there but I can't possibly leave my family behind :)

I'll definitely visit Melbourne again.

EP3R 01-17-2012 02:41 AM

So true

Autumnkoup 01-17-2012 09:52 AM

Hi EP3R, nice to see u here..... yes u r right and cars had indeed cut a gigantic hole in a lot of Singaporeans pockets.....

sazu 01-17-2012 09:24 PM

was at the gas station this morning & noticed an Evo Singapore magazine. On it's cover was a picture of the GT86 & above it was a print that captured my attention. It says sumthin like this " Rear Wheel Drive Thrill That Won't Break Your Bank".

Won't Break Your Bank? I'll believe it when I see it (price tag) myself.

Hounddub 01-19-2012 03:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sazu (Post 115623)
I know EP3R. Affordable cars, affordable houses, friendly cashiers :thumbsup: Very tempted to live there but I can't possibly leave my family behind :)

I'll definitely visit Melbourne again.

Oh Come on guys. Given I AM an Aussie and living in Singapore I have the best perspective.

Granted Australia has cheaper housing (although Singapore has well priced HDB)....the interest rate for mortgages is over 7%!.....and only about 1-1.5% in Singapore. Do the maths.

Cars are definitely more expensive here in Singapore....but 10 year financing at nominal interest rates make monthly payments LESS than Australia.....not to mention PARF and COE rebates for early scrapping.

Oh....and then there's the BIG issue with working in Australia.....TAX! (if anyone in Singapore wants to pay 30-50% of their income to tax then be my guest).

It's all about taking the good with the bad.

renyeo 01-19-2012 06:49 PM

Hi Hounddub,

Welcome to the Lion City; please make yourself at home! ;)

Which one of the trio you are most likely to buy: GT-86, BRZ or Hyundai's Veloster? :drool:

Individual-wise, I am sorely tempted by the Veloster. Despite it only making 136hp, the 1.6-liter all-aluminum mill is good enough for me, at least in Singapore. :burnrubber:

Apparently, Americans are snapping up 1.6L Velosters like hot cakes - Hyundai USA sold 10,000 Velos during the model's first full year on sale. :thumbsup:

Meanwhile, Autocar UK gives 4.5 stars (out of a possible 5) to the 1.6 GDi as tested here: http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/....6-GDi/260998/ :offtopic:

See what you think of it. :word:

Hounddub 01-19-2012 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by renyeo (Post 117206)
Hi Hounddub,

Welcome to the Lion City; please make yourself at home! ;)

Which one of the trio you are most likely to buy: GT-86, BRZ or Hyundai's Veloster? :drool:

Individual-wise, I am sorely tempted by the Veloster. Despite it only making 136hp, the 1.6-liter all-aluminum mill is good enough for me, at least in Singapore. :burnrubber:

Apparently, Americans are snapping up 1.6L Velosters like hot cakes - Hyundai USA sold 10,000 Velos during the model's first full year on sale. :thumbsup:

Meanwhile, Autocar UK gives 4.5 stars (out of a possible 5) to the 1.6 GDi as tested here: http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/....6-GDi/260998/ :offtopic:

See what you think of it. :word:

I have already placed a refundable order for the GT86.

renyeo 01-19-2012 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hounddub (Post 117274)
I have already placed a refundable order for the GT86.

Congrats, dude! You are a good man. :respekt:

I could only afford drooling over pictures... Wah ha ha! :bonk:


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