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LeavingNormal 04-21-2013 09:39 AM

Amazing first 10laps!

R_E_L 04-21-2013 04:05 PM

Very fun beginning and end, McLaren was trying to have it's own version of Malaysia, entertainment was everywhere today.

cfusionpm 05-25-2013 06:02 PM

Thread seems to have completely died!

Anyway Monaco is tomorrow! Interesting first three rows.... Rossberg and Hamilton lock out 1 and 2, Vettel and Webber take 3 and 4, and Kimi and Alonso round out 5 and 6.....

I predict Alonso will get a swift start and immediately pass Webber who can't start well to save his life. Depending on how ballsy he gets on opening lap, he could also take Kimi and be right up on Vettel too. The pair of Mercs will probably only hold their lead because it's so hard to pass on the tight street circuit, leaving their slower pace to hold up Vettel and leave him within striking distance for Alonso, who I am wholeheartedly rooting for to win! Poor Massa has quite an uphill battle from the back of the pack, but with a good setup, ideal conditions, and perhaps some yellows to slow the field down, he could move up quite a bit (not unlike Vettel in Abu Dhabi last year).

Either way, it will make for a very interesting race tomorrow! Looking forward to a great battle!

Calais 05-26-2013 12:12 PM

it was a great race, just wish they had shown kimi in the last few laps(I was watching the timing on the bottom of the screen) that would've been more exciting to watch than what they were showing

torqdork 05-27-2013 01:32 AM

So happy for Nico, one of my favorites, winning on the 30th anniversary of his father's win in his home town and a first for Mercedes.

Nico dominated with pole, lead every lap, and made tremendous restarts that controlled the pace to match tire wear. Also pleased to see him nearly silence the arrogant Vettel who, after quali, brushed off the Mercedes pole (Nico's 3rd in a row) as yet another fluke and as sore loser called the Mercedes twins "buses" slowing him down.

So glad I recorded the two programs following the FiOS schedule just in case of delays. It worked out after the safety cars and red flags.

Great race, phenomenal venue, would've been perfect had Kimi made the podium.

Any predictions for Montreal up next? That will test Mercedes tire management that's still unproven. I'm going with Kimi. Montreal is his kind of circuit and he's under the radar with so much focus on the resurgent Alonso but must up his potential value to Red Bull in his final season with Lotus should Webber retire.

Great competitive season barely underway, but am already looking forward to the 2014 season with return of the turbo cars.

cfusionpm 05-27-2013 01:53 PM

Love that Nico absolutely destroyed it, but I would have liked to see SOMETHING going on with the other top 10 drivers. The only place changes were when RB undercut Hamilton out of the pits under safety car (how, again??), and Perez driving like an absolute idiot. The real shining star of he day, besides Nico, has to be Sutil. He drove that little Force India the way Perez SHOULD have been driving his McLaren, as in, overtaking people smoothly and without forcing them off the course or hitting them. As an Alonso and Ferrari fan, it was a hard day to watch, but there was still a lot to see. Looking forward to Canada!

torqdork 05-27-2013 02:34 PM

Sutil's progress this season shows remarkable mental strength handling adversity beyond his control. Good to see his clean passes especially compared to Perez's insanity.

torqdork 05-27-2013 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by cfusionpm (Post 962466)
...As an Alonso and Ferrari fan...

Me too. He's a bull. During the Spanish GP telecast they described his daily training routine as 3 hours of cycling, 2 hours of running and then he hits the gym. It's a wonder he has anything left at night for Dasha.

cfusionpm 05-27-2013 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by torqdork (Post 962628)
Me too. He's a bull. During the Spanish GP telecast they described his daily training routine as 3 hours of cycling, 2 hours of running and then he hits the gym. It's a wonder he has anything left at night for Dasha.

That's just the nature of Monaco and why I usually don't even like the race. Whoever starts in front stays in front, except for a few rare cases. Hamilton's poor timed pitstop and Perez's maniac driving aside, there wasn't much movement at all. Those who valued finishing the race over holding position yielded to more aggressive drivers, but really, that was only Alonso and Button. At least Kimi wasn't putting up with Perez and his crap and put him into the wall, but it also cost him several WDC points.

Plus, Alonso has had lots of success moving up the pack. His qualis are never really fantastic, but his race day performances are always spot on. In Monaco there's nowhere to go though. Really waiting to see what he does in Canada.... That double outside pass on the first lap of Catalunya was incredible.

torqdork 05-27-2013 05:04 PM

Monaco has always been more show than go. It's the history, legacy and ambiance that make it special, the race is almost secondary. I lived in Europe and followed the circus for a few seasons. I rate Monaco in the top three experiences for fans in attendance, Spa and Silverstone the other two.

Canada will be interesting. Hopefully Pirelli will fix their issues so constructors and drivers won't have to control pace to the least common denominator.

cfusionpm 05-27-2013 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by torqdork (Post 962774)
Monaco has always been more show than go. It's the history, legacy and ambiance that make it special, the race is almost secondary. I lived in Europe and followed the circus for a few seasons. I rate Monaco in the top three experiences for fans in attendance, Spa and Silverstone the other two.

Canada will be interesting. Hopefully Pirelli will fix their issues so constructors and drivers won't have to control pace to the least common denominator.

Last GP, Ferrari already showed that you didn't have to do that. It's not RB's fault that they couldn't keep pace. They all had the same tires, and Alonso drove the snot out of them. Boo hoo to teams like RB who cry foul because all of the factors don't line up in their favor. Even MB was able to get their tire issues under control here in Monaco when EVERYONE expected them to immediately fall off the pace. No one touched Nico, and he did the same pit stop strategy as everyone else, so go figure.

torqdork 05-27-2013 07:27 PM

Had to admire Ferrari strategy in the Spanish GP, rolling the dice that Alonso could build enough of a lead to account for an extra stop. Brilliant!

I don't think Monaco, with it's slow average speed and tight turns, is a true test of Pirelli durability. The commentators said Pirelli exercised a special test rule and picked Ferrari and M-B to test their updated construction last week but M-B's controlled pace didn't prove anything except to once again show a flash of Vettel's immaturity when he isn't dominant.

GTB/ZR-1 05-27-2013 07:59 PM

It's truly amazing how the teams strategize to work around any sort of new rules, tire shortcomings, etc.

It'll be interesting to see how everything shakes out w/ the wholesale engine changes coming & how the teams deal w/ the characteristics of the cars in their new iterations.

ap5512 06-10-2013 05:35 PM

So I was really hoping for rain during the Canadian GP but unfortunately it didn't and we got to see the usual Vettel slipping away from everyone else being at the front of the pack (:sigh:). I wonder if Hamilton or Alonso could of won if it was raining....it was great to see Button come from behind the pack to win the GP couple of years ago.

Anyways...on to Silverstone!

R_E_L 06-30-2013 03:01 PM

Fun ending to an otherwise marred race today. Would have liked to see Hamilton get a better shot at the win but he sure did everything he could considering the circumstances. Tough way to give up a race for Vettel, he did well but just like alonso had Belgium taken out of his hands this one is taken away from Seb, wonder if it will have the same effect.

bugsie 07-01-2013 05:13 AM

Yeah, fun final 8 laps or so. But man, those Pirelli tyres are crap. There are marbles everywhere and too many punctures yesterday.

Guillaume 07-01-2013 06:57 AM

Punctures? Spontaneous bursting, more like! Unheard of in F1 on since Indianapolis 2005.

Vettel got his race taken away right after Belgium last year (alternator in Monza).

cfusionpm 07-01-2013 10:38 AM

I liked that no one on the podium even pretended to be upset or sad at Vettel's retirement from the race. :P

GTB/ZR-1 07-01-2013 12:24 PM

Word is that the drivers are taking a stand regarding tire issues--supposedly led by Massa.

We'll see if there's a GP this weekend...

FORZA Alonso!!!

FnFast 07-01-2013 02:10 PM

I DVR'd it and watched it today. I thought Silverstone GP was good. A lot of moves and action. Sux there were tire bursting, because I am a Hamilton fan.

Anyone upset Weber is leaving F1? I think once you reach F1 you are at the hype of ALL racing. I know rallying, offroad and other racing classes are hard, but just feel F1 is like racing engineering at it's best.

cfusionpm 07-01-2013 02:10 PM

I'd be pissed if I were Massa. Given his opening drive he very well could have fought for a podium spot. Other than the exploding tire, he was rocking all Sunday.

torqdork 07-01-2013 02:24 PM

Shameful about the exploding Pirellis. I can't imagine what the driver's were thinking, talk about fearless. Also surprising to hear the crowd erupt in cheers when Vettel retired.

Great finish though, another lap and it could've been Webber on the top step. Sorry to see him go, but smart move to go out with a top tier team and join another top team in Porsche. At least he won't have to make his usual feeble standing starts in sports car racing.

cfusionpm 07-01-2013 06:45 PM

I stood up and clapped when Vettel retired. The season needs competition. Imagine how much closer Alonso would be if he didn't retire in China or have his DRS fail in Bahrain. This helps bring back some balance. Alonso himself said Vettel was due some bad luck. Look at Fernandos position this time last year, 40 points up, followed by two rough retirements. Lots of race left and Vettel will need more than just speed to get a fourth championship (remember last year he only beat Alonso by 3 points...)

OrbitalEllipses 07-01-2013 06:47 PM

I was commenting about how nothing bad happens to Vettel, then BOOM his car gets disabled. That. Was. Awesome.

The multiple rear tire failures...not so much. Too many safety car laps.

cfusionpm 07-01-2013 06:54 PM

Thought it was the other way around! Another F1 forum I read is saying cheering his retirement is poor sportsmanship. Screw Vettel. I want Alonso on top this year!

Calais 07-02-2013 03:08 AM

I cheered when I saw vettel retire he is my least favourite of the F1 drivers only reason I like red bull is because they had webber(an aussie) there, im interested to see what the investigation into the tires exploding turns up if it was the new bonding Pirelli introduced at Silverstone or was because of the new drains that were added to Silverstone that those divers ran over when they went wide in those corners and cut the tires open

monkie 07-02-2013 06:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cfusionpm (Post 1038357)
Thought it was the other way around! Another F1 forum I read is saying cheering his retirement is poor sportsmanship. Screw Vettel. I want Alonso on top this year!


Yes new champion but not Alonso for me I want Kimmy :party0030:

Who do you guys think will get Webbers seat?

bugsie 07-02-2013 06:28 AM

I think Ricciardo will be a good replacement. I don't think Kimi will move to Red Bull to be a second driver to a douche like Vettel.

Go Alonso!

torqdork 07-02-2013 10:49 AM

I'd like Nico Rosberg to come from behind for the Driver's Championship. The Mercedes team is coming alive (extra test days?) and if it weren't for retirements, Nico would be further up the ladder now.

But whoever contests, they'll need to figure out how to keep Vettel within DRS distance during the first few laps or it's over.

Alabang 86 07-02-2013 11:12 AM

formula 1 goes phat when the drivers are pushing past the boundaries to the point of breaking the car.

Silverstone was a doozie. luvit.

rice_classic 07-02-2013 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by torqdork (Post 1039824)
I'd like Nico Rosberg to come from behind for the Driver's Championship. The Mercedes team is coming alive (extra test days?)

The extra test days are a modification of the upcoming young driver's test later in July. Mercedes was banned from the young driver's test so all this new "open testing" will still exclude Mercedes.

Mercedes is Pissed.

So Mercedes takes up Pirelli's request to test tires and does that. Then RedBull/Christian Horner (crying babies of F1) take up arms against them. Now everyone's tires explode and people are calling for "open testing with Pirelli"! Wait! You mean you now want that thing Mercedes did earlier in the year that you bitched about and required an International Tribunal???

Ross Brawn should come out an say if Red Bull has a single sliver of dignity and character, they would exclude themselves from the tire testing since they were so adamant against in-season testing and any attempt to participate in this "open tire testing" around the young driver's test (where they can use current cars and drivers) would discredit Christian Horner as team principle and RedBull as a team.

Can you tell I hate RedBull.


ABV all day long.. A B V

Anybody But Vettel

monkie 07-07-2013 08:58 AM

So the head of Red Bull has said it is a three way race for Webber's seat

Ricardo
Raikkonen
Vergne

I say a two way between Raikkonen and Ricardo it depends on wether or not Vettel has a say as Kimi wont take crap and could out perform him in a Red Bull.

As a Kimi fan part of me wants him in a better car but the other part does not want him to play second fiddle to Vettle.

German GP about to start hopefully a good race

monkie 07-07-2013 09:18 AM

Webber's pitstop lap 9 :confused0068:

Juvenile 07-07-2013 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monkie (Post 1050191)
Webber's pitstop lap 9 :confused0068:

I know, but what a start he had.

ZetaVI 07-07-2013 11:15 AM

Kimi 2nd in German Grand Prix. Yay.

FrX 07-07-2013 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZetaVI (Post 1050295)
Kimi 2nd in German Grand Prix. Yay.


I bet he is happy to at least finish, and not suffer another broken engine...or wing...or suspension...or a crash.

ZetaVI 07-07-2013 07:52 PM

The cameraman who got hit by Webber's tire suffered a broken collarbone and ribs. Hope he has a full recovery. Commend those who risk themselves who are not behind the wheel especially in the pit lanes.

Doctor Who 07-07-2013 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monkie (Post 1050191)
Webber's pitstop lap 9 :confused0068:

That guy can't catch a break.

Seems suspicious how flawless Vettel's pit was a few laps earlier...

Deebeaux 07-07-2013 09:09 PM

I've been a huge Mark Webber fan since his early days and I'm sorry to see him leave F1 without a championship. I really wish he could've had a team that was out supporting him and not V3ttel. I hope he does well in Le Mans and I'm glad I'll still get to follow the Aussie Grit in my 2nd favorite racing series. :)

All that said, Vettel is a talented driver in an amazing car and I don't fault him for that. 3 is enough, although it looks like it'll be four. I don't want to see him pass Schumi's 5-in-a-row.

I've always liked Kimi and I'd love to see him show Vettel how it's done. His no bull attitude (Kimi Räikkönen - "I was having a s**t." - YouTube) (NSFW language in that link) is what I've always liked about him. Kimi gets my vote for Red Bull 2014, but they'd have to let him do it his way. He likes where he's at because he gets to do what he wants when he wants... except win championships.

rice_classic 07-07-2013 10:56 PM

The moment I saw Mark Webber turning a faster time than Vettel (aka: gaining on him) I knew what was going to happen. The same thing that's been happening to him for 3 years now..

Botched pit stop.

I looked over at the G/F and I said: "Just watch hun, they'll botch his pit stop so that he can't race Vettel."

Voila! Even when you don't to play the "bitch", RedBull will see to it that you do. It is not Team RedBull. It is Team Vettel. Don't you forget that. If I was a top tier driver (like Kimi) I absolutely would not want to take Webber's spot at RedBull because it will be the same thing for whomever sits in that #2 car. You will be "the bitch" whether you like it or not.

And then... to make Red Bull look worse, the cry baby of F1, Christian Horner, who's car was unsafely released from the pits and injured a camera man tries to shift blame and say that all personnel in the pit area should be in fulls safety gear. Last time I checked Christian sits on the pit area and he's not wearing nomex and a helmet and besides, full safety gear wouldn't have kept a tire from hitting the camera man IN THE BACK.

The ONLY person at Red Bull that doesn't make my skin crawl is Webber.

ABV


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