Have you seen this?

http://www.streetfire.net/video/top-...-1_2288899.htm Start on segment 3.


Pretty much explains how difficult and mind-bending it is to drive a F1 car. It's terrifying and nearly impossible when you're not doing 9 or 10/10ths.

Today's race kinda took on a soap opera vibe with the post race squabbling inside the top 2 teams. Pretty awkward, I'm sure all sorts of gossip is gonna be flying around over the next few weeks.

mark got mad pissed

And rightfully so, he listened to the team decision, Seb didn't.

I'm not too shocked it happened really. I am sure Vettel is one of those super competitive people who would take any opportunity regardless of the potential consequence. Not to mention the fact that the extra points he got by going for it could make the difference at the end of the season. But the truth of the matter is that he ignored a team order and risked damaging both cars, very immature behavior IMO.

^ i agree on that, to add insult to injury his "i didn't hear the call" excuse was pretty weak :(

i heard a couple of interviews with mark and i dont think he'll stay with red bull after all this

I thought the race was full of drama and humor. Hamilton going to the McLaren pit stop was so hilarious. I've never really like Vettel and the Malaysia race pretty much re-affirmed why. I feel bad for Webber as he's gotten the shaft multiple times. I hope he leaves Red Bull at the end of the season. He's a talented driver but no point of racing for a team that's going to hold you back and not penalize Vettel for this actions.

On a another note...what the heck is happening to McLaren?? I haven't seen much coverage of them during these races??

Seb is both an Alpha and a prima donna. IMHO, he knew what was going on as this is basic, routine stuff by the team, he took the position and he didn't give a damn about it. Webber and Seb do not like each other and Seb is a 3 time WC who's in high demand. This was a No-Win situation for Webber, nothing he could do could help his case. He's at the declining end of his career, no other top flight teams want him and he's currently in, arguably, the best car on the grid. His hopes at a championship died the day Vettel joined the team. He need to do what Massa has done and just accept his role as #2.

It's was a 100% alpha dog move by Seb, plain and simple.

I'm trying to think of a team that Webber could go to, and I think that he would do well at Mclaren with Button, or even at Lotus with Kimi. I see those as possible positions where the #2 drivers there (Perez and Grossjeans) could be booted if they don't perform well enough this season.

Unlike Nico who can say "you owe me one" to Ross B, Webba' has had more than one "you owe me one" moment to Christian Horner but it seems like even when the team gives him one (as noted in this case) his teammate still denys him.

I think that he would be picked up without any issues if he left RB, but he likely wouldn't do as well as he's doing now...but who's to say.

i dont think he would downgrade and move to a slower car IMO :/ but i have a feeling their relationship will corrode and a crash like 2010 may happen again

Does anyone know where to fine the Post-race Malaysian press conference?

Side Note: funniest Jalopnik post in a really long time, http://jalopnik.com/an-in-depth-anal...odiu-458724675

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2gv9WrjSeQ"]F1 Malaysian GP 2013 - Mark Webber On Sebastian Vettel Disobeying Teams Orders - YouTube[/ame]


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While Nico was mouthing off for the last chunk of the race, he fell in line with team orders. You don't disobey your engineers and Vettel did just that. I can only hope one of these kind of hot-headed stupid moves puts him and his team-mate out of the race so they both walk away with 0 points and hopefully a sense of humility.

Even though Alonso made a massive mistake, he owned it as his own mistake. I still wish him and Ferrari the best. Hamilton too. Take down the Red Balls.

i really think vettel should be stood down for a race, if webber did this there would be massive implications but for vettel it a slap on the wrist and a "stern" "now dont you doo that again, ok?"
the last 10 seconds what webber says thats why i think he'll be at a different team next year

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kJgUMH8Nj2M"]F1 Malaysian GP 2013 - Sebastian Vettel On Disobeying Team Orders - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PrVaADyuAWM"]F1 2013 - R02 - Vettel vs Webber battle onboard Sepang - YouTube[/ame]

Haha that little gesture by Webber at the end was hilarious. To an extent I think this has blown up a bit more than necessary, and I think it is partly because Vettel is already disliked to begin with.

And with all the things I've been reading I gotta say I hope Ecclestone and Pirelli sit down and decide to get rid of this fast degrading tire business. That on track fight made me realize how F1 has also degraded. I don't want teams that are going 1-2 to shut it down for the last quarter of the race, it's a race, so race!

If they're not racing 10/10th's then to me, it's not racing even if what they're doing looks like racing. I don't want to watch a scripted "show", I want to watch racing.

And Lee Diffy can kick rocks. There are few voices in this world that make me want to club a baby seal and his is one of them.

I guess I'm the only one who actually likes Vettel...

it would be great if they really start hating each other and we get a prost vs senna situation. that would make things very interesting.

I grew up watching Senna and I see a lot of similarities between him and Vettel. I love their attitudes towards racing and against the politics behind it all. I know a lot of F1 would not exist without the politics, but I want to watch a race. It can be self-defeating to race against your own team, but drivers, to me, are independent because of their different skill sets. It's a confusing subject because drivers are put on teams to get the best combination of skills to benefit the team through cooperation, but the driver who deserves the win, deserves the win. I think the Malaysian Grand Prix was a great example of this. Both Mercedes and Red Bull had their teams as far as they could get them. At this point, the drivers had helped their team as much as they could and the better driver should be able to use his skill set to claim the position he deserves. Yes, it can be self-defeating and can lose the race for the team, but it's a race and there are risks. I think the podium reflected the two sides of this situation quite well. Vettel and Weber had the best two spots in the race, but were obviously at arms with each other. Whereas, Hamilton felt bad for claiming third when Rosberg was the faster driver during that race. I gained a lot of respect for Hamilton that night. Anyways... just my two cents.

Not at all. While I like watching drivers like Lewis, Kimi and Alonso do there thing I find myself secretly rooting for Vettel. Probably because of the historical significance of having another dominant driver, or maybe because I like how Red Bull has come up and really taken it to the big boys. But I don't want him too dominant, I want to see everyone battling 'til the end of the season.

Still I think he can be immature at times and even be a bit of a whiner, but like with all my favorite athletes, I have a great respect for his dedication and focus. People put a lot of emphasis on the car but it doesn't get to the end of the race on autopilot. For me Lewis is the fastest flat out driver, Alonso the most well rounded and Vettel the most focused (being able to get that crucial fast lap at the end of qualifying). But out of all of them, I think the only one who could've maybe done what Vettel did in the same car would possibly be Alonso. Vettel deserves to be where he is whether people like to admit it or not.

Except "officially" Vettel apologized for what he did and acted like he was remorseful (which of course, he wasn't). If he were really like Senna, he would have said "I passed him because I'm faster than him. If he wanted the spot bad enough, if he wanted to earn it, he should have fought for it like I did." Senna himself is famously quoted saying: "By being a racing driver means you are racing with other people. And if you no longer go for a gap that exists, you are no longer a racing driver because we are competing, we are competing to win."

Vettel disobeyed team orders, put himself and his teammate at risk of collision, and needs to get an attitude check. I'm all for watching a battle, but that wasn't a battle. Will Buxton put it perfectly in his piece:

"If we use a boxing analogy, it isn’t as simple as Mark dropping his guard and being caught with a knock-out uppercut. What happened in Malaysia was tantamount to his rival delivering a brutal blow to the back of his head as he walked to his corner after the bell had sounded."

http://willthef1journo.wordpress.com...ling-assassin/

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=N6j8JWZeMqU"]Infiniti Red Bull Racing sets new pitstop world record - GONE IN 2.05 SECONDS - YouTube[/ame]

While we wait on things to get started in Shanghai, there's a new movie trailer out for what looks to be the first good F1 movie in a while! It's based on Niki Lauda and James Hunt's epic rivalry in the 1976 season!

[ame]http://youtu.be/s43KIRThDDc[/ame]

[ame]http://youtu.be/rUSCxxGQuZY[/ame]

Rush is on my must see list. Can't wait!

Looking forward to this weekends grand prix! Let's see how RBR handles Vettel and what Alonso can do if he doesn't crash. The merecedes, ferrari and ted bull cars will all be at each other's throats on the track!

Can't wait for the weekend...should be a good race!

Hamilton will start on pole with a good margin over the very close Raikkonen and Alonso starting 2nd and 3rd on the grid. Vettel with a gamble on tires that may pay off in the race, did NOT pay off in quali, since he starts way back in 9th, and will be on the harder of the two tires to begin with. His teammate Webber got DQ'd from Q3 due to a fuel problem in Q2. Wah wah. Conspiracy theories will rise for sure.

Looks like the front rows are all Mercedes, Lotus, and Ferrari. Good luck to all of them. Keep Vettel in the back, help Webber fall off entirely, and teach that team what humility and maturity is about.

The only team I genuinely feel bad for is the abysmally bad McLaren team. From having arguably the best car last year to being out-scored by Force India for pete's sake! Shame they couldn't get their act together, but best of luck to Hamilton at his new home!

I am a big fan of Formula 1 vehicles and always love to watch its races. I am very sorry to say that I can not watch F1 practice by the Austin. You are lucky to have visit there. Good luck.

They need a top driver again and there are none available. I believe kimi does not have a contract for next year but i highly doubt he'd ever go back there. Maybe kubica will be ready for next year.

Sweet didn't know there was a F1 thread here!
Been almost 4 weeks since the multi 21 fiasco.
What are y'all opinion on Vettel now?

The same as they have been for the past 2 years: ABV. Anybody but Vettel.

I respect his monumental amount of talent and realize he's "one of the greats" but at the end of the day I like him the least of all the other drivers on the grid that have World Championships (even less than Hamilton).

Even to win championships with the best car you still have to be a great driver, period, end of story. But, I appreciate more when a driver can make a car greater than what it's expected to be and make the team perform better then expected to perform. Senna, Hakkinen (sp?), Prost, Schumacher, Alonso (with Ferrari), Kimi w/lotus, and now Hammy w/Merc are integral in getting more out of the car and the team. I've never had the impression that Seb does that but since I don't know that definitively I accept the fact that I'm merely speculating but that's how I see it. I think Webber does that and Vettel benefits from it.

Bold statements I know but most of it's BS because it's just a multi-billion industry and I really have no idea what's going on behind the scenes! :iono:

I do think Vettel is talented but not as much as say Alonso or Hamilton. As @rice_classic pointed out, I love it when a driver can squeeze out performance from a sub-par car. Not saying Merc is sub-par but it isn't as good as the Red Bull car for example. Having a dominating car is great is great but that can be boring. I wanna see a driver work his way through the pack and make awesome passes.

How do i feel about Vettel now after 4 weeks?...the same...cheeky little bastard. I wish one of these days Webber just punches him. I used to dislike Alonso but he grew on me after seeing his performances on the circuit especially last year when the F150 wasn't that good but he squeezed every drop out of that car to get podium finishes.

BTW - anyone here going to Austin this year?

If so, can anyone advise on a place to stay. Ive checked airbnb.com but everyone is jacking up the rates insanely for the weekend. I would love to go but can't afford the accomodations..anyone know any place offering a decent price?

Sorry for getting off-topic...

I respect Vettel but don't like him much. I also respect the driver's opinion that he has every right to want to win every race, but the blatant disregard he showed his entire team (especially Webber) at the Malaysia GP just proves how selfish he is.

Vettel only thrives when he has the fastest car. Ferrari's chassis isn't significantly slower then RBR anymore, which is why we saw Alonso walk all over Vettel last week in China.

He's a great driver, but he's also almost always had the fastest car.

I was planning on it for quite a while until tickets were finally available. At the cheapest grandstand seats (turn 5), cheapest flight, and cheapest hotel, I was looking at MINIMUM $1,000. And that doesn't include parking, travel within Austin, food, souvenirs, etc. Just not in my budget this year, especially having just bought my FR-S :(

Mark Webber's Formula One Autobiography will be titled:

Mark Webber F1: Making a team as good as it can be, for someone else.

Harsh but fair...

Crazy aggressive start!!