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KERS Hybrid FR-S High Performance Model Reportedly in Development!

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Via Motor Trend:

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KERS Hybrid for High-Performance Scion FR-S in Development

“Ever since this car was new, people always ask me two questions. Will it have more power, and will there be a convertible?” smiles Toyota GT86/Scion FR-S chief engineer Tetsuya Tada.

On the convertible question he’s obviously thinking, but is for the moment bound to silence by his PR minder. On the question of power, he says, “We’re looking for a surprise. Something unique. For example a hybrid motor.”

What?

He dismisses a turbocharger: “I think 300-HP with a turbo would be tasteless in this day and age. If we pursue power without regard to fuel consumption, the market won’t accept it. And a turbo would mean the loss of the GT86′s uniqueness.”

The FR-S is all about high rpm and driver interaction. Not what we get from the Atkinson Cycle engine and CVT of the regular Prius and other Toyotas and Lexuses with Hybrid Synergy Drive. “The Hybrid Synergy Drive is good in town, but not for sporty driving or high-speed highways.”

“So,” he continues, “We’re looking at a next-generation hybrid. More like the TS030 Le Mans Prototype. We’re looking into that possibility.” Image directly below.

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The TS030 has a KERS system, with six-speed transmission and electric drive to the rear wheels in parallel with the gas engine.

Has he actually tried it? Is there a prototype? “Yes,” he answers. The race car has supercapacitors for storage of the charge. Does the prototype use these? A less direct answer: “Toyota wants to make things accessible. The capacitor is appropriate technology, but it’s not as lightweight as you might think, and it’s expensive.” But he acknowledges things are changing. “The rate of improvement in the electronics industry is very fast compared with the car industry.”

It seems unlikely a FR-S with KERS hybrid is yet in production-phase development, but Tada-san did say that he admires the Porsche 918 Spyder, which also employs a KERS hybrid powertrain. It’s also worth noting that Toyota has a joint venture in hybrid development with BMW, and the i8 uses a hybrid system with a KERS function not unlike that in the 918.

So will there be a KERS hybrid FR-S? It’s too soon to tell whether the technology will be viable in a car that costs less than $30,000, but Toyota does have the money and the technology to make it happen. Where does that leave the Subaru BRZ? We’ve spotted a prototype wearing STI badges, but our sources say it will not have a turbocharger, either. Instead, Subaru is expected to add 20-30 horsepower with software tuning and a freer-flowing exhaust system. The car will continue to emphasize handling and will feature aerodynamic and suspension modifications as well as larger brakes.

Now thats's some real stuff.
Turbos are boring.

Whoa, didn't see that coming. Was expecting the biggest surprise to be either supercharge or turbocharger. Does seem hard to make work in an inexpensive car, but we shall see.

300HP rev to 9k h20 emissions yes pls

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Originally Posted by dsgerbc (Post 548294)

Turbos are boring.

Really? :sm3:

Last time I drove my GSX on pump gas, 140 mile round trip (making around 480awhp) I averaged 32mpg. its called a light foot, no need for electronic bullshit motors turning something fun into a new hippie target car. /rant.

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Originally Posted by dsmx17 (Post 548350)

QQ?

“So,” he continues, “We’re looking at a next-generation hybrid. More like the TS030 Le Mans Prototype. We’re looking into that possibility.”

Rad. Rad rad rad rad rad rad rad.

First affordable KERS?

FiRSt KERS.

:party0030:

Thankfully early-adopters won't be swayed by possibly expensive repairs or teething issues. Go baby go!

This is cool. I think KERS is a better idea for a hybrid than the current semi-electric method used today. Not to mention it can be done without the batteries that make current hybrids eco-disasters.

Well that's one way to fix the torque dip haha i always wanted to know what the torque plateau from a performance oriented electric motor felt like

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Originally Posted by dsmx17 (Post 548350)

its called a light foot, no need for electronic bullshit motors turning something fun into a new hippie target car. /rant.

My how quickly we forget history.

When turbocharging was new, it had plenty of naysayers.

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Originally Posted by czar07 (Post 548357)

QQ?

I have no idea what QQ is?

I agree... KERS is very interesting. No idea how you would make that affordable, though.

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Originally Posted by bestwheelbase (Post 548376)

My how quickly we forget history.

When turbocharging was new, it had plenty of naysayers.

go hug a tree. j/k :-P

KERS sounds interesting and all, but there's a reason why its not very common: exotic (needs some kind of fancy flywheel/battery set-up), expensive and has a potential of adding too much weight for such a light weight, back to basics sports car IMHO. Makes for good headlines though, I hear Subaru is developing a turbo for the BRZ... (kidding)