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FT-86 SpeedFactory 10-31-2012 02:08 AM

Eibach Coilover Options - SEMA 2012 Coverage
 
There are some great options coming to us from the guys over at Eibach and we are extremely excited for them! :happyanim:

We spoke with Tony Jackson, Eibach's brand manager, about the product offerings that are coming for the FRS/BRZ platform and he is expecting products to be released around the coming new year.

We already know that Eibach has some great spring and sway bar options for our cars, but expect THREE great coilover options from them, as well. The Pro Street S, R1 Series, and R2 series coilovers will be systems you want to start saving your pennies for!

Take a look for yourselves:coolpics:


Pro Street S
http://ft86speedfactory.com/images/sema2012-22.jpg

R1 System
http://ft86speedfactory.com/images/sema2012-23.jpg

R2 system
http://ft86speedfactory.com/images/sema2012-20.jpg

R2 system
http://ft86speedfactory.com/images/sema2012-21.jpg

Stock tophats re-used for Pro Street S
http://ft86speedfactory.com/images/sema2012-24.jpg

R1 Top hats
http://ft86speedfactory.com/images/sema2012-25.jpg

R2 Top hats
http://ft86speedfactory.com/images/sema2012-26.jpg

http://ft86speedfactory.com/images/sema2012-71.jpg

http://ft86speedfactory.com/images/sema2012-72.jpg

Danzzt231 10-31-2012 02:21 AM

I just posted G.C maybe being the best yet, but now comes Eibach.


Bilstein, hurry please.

Jesse@JDLAutodesign 10-31-2012 11:38 AM

Ballpark on price ranges?

gmookher 10-31-2012 11:50 AM

Liking the extra fluid in the reservoirs, when it gets hot(and it does) extra volume is your friend.

Dave-ROR 10-31-2012 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jesse@JDLAutodesign (Post 530400)
Ballpark on price ranges?

I'd expect pricing to be about the same as those same lines for other vehicles. For an STI a quick search shows that as ~$1,850 for the R1s, ~$2,300 for the R2s. Pro Street S I'd guesstimate around ~$1,500.

Hopefully more info will come out after SEMA. I'm hoping they'll be released in December, I'm probably going R2. Depends on a few things (job situation for one..).

dale.m 10-31-2012 12:23 PM

I wonder if Evasive will be doing an Evasive Spec R1 or R2 like they did for the S2K.

JoeBoxer 10-31-2012 01:12 PM

Pro Street S looks like a good alternative to KW's, any idea of spring rates?

Dave-ROR 10-31-2012 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeBoxer (Post 530582)
Pro Street S looks like a good alternative to KW's, any idea of spring rates?

KW V3's are closest to the Multi Pro R2s in terms of adjustability (2 way dampers). The Multi Pro R2s add remote res on all corners (well remote/external) and the top hats.

Spring rates can be custom, or off the shelf. Eibach likely knows, or at least has an idea, of the OTS spring rates but I don't think they've released them outside yet. Since it's so easy to order any rate ERS spring with the dampers you can really get whatever you want.

My understanding was that Eibach would have Camber and Caster adjustments on the plates up front, but I don't see Caster. Maybe prototype or just can't see the slots under the nuts.. yeah don't go there with that statement lol

xwd 10-31-2012 05:43 PM

There is one user on the board who is running these right now, there was a thread not too long ago on them. The R1s I believe. You can look up pricing for the WRX/STi versions of them and I would assume the BRZ/FR-S would be similar. The R1 is about $1750 and the R2 is about $2200. Definitely a good option.

"Jackson" on the board I'm assuming is Tony Jackson, so they are watching these forums.

xwd 10-31-2012 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gmookher (Post 530424)
Liking the extra fluid in the reservoirs, when it gets hot(and it does) extra volume is your friend.

External reservoirs are for nitrogen, not fluid. In a monotube shock like these, the bottom of shocks use gas, not fluid. Of course using an external reservoir does gain you more fluid and shock travel.

One nice thing is the bottom of the reservoir has a Schrader valve so you can not only adjust the compression via the adjuster but can change the static pressure in the reservoir.

Dave-ROR 10-31-2012 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dwx (Post 531141)
There is one user on the board who is running these right now, there was a thread not too long ago on them. The R1s I believe. You can look up pricing for the WRX/STi versions of them and I would assume the BRZ/FR-S would be similar. The R1 is about $1750 and the R2 is about $2200. Definitely a good option.

"Jackson" on the board I'm assuming is Tony Jackson, so they are watching these forums.

There are two actually, one FRS and one BRZ, although I'm not 100% sure if the BRZ guy is on the forums or not.

And yeah, Jackson is Tony. He does monitor the forum occasionally and whenever someone sends him a thread link. He would be in this thread already I'm sure if he wasn't at SEMA instead.

n2oinferno 10-31-2012 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dwx (Post 531149)
External reservoirs are for nitrogen, not fluid. In a monotube shock like these, the bottom of shocks use gas, not fluid. Of course using an external reservoir does gain you more fluid and shock travel.

One nice thing is the bottom of the reservoir has a Schrader valve so you can not only adjust the compression via the adjuster but can change the static pressure in the reservoir.

Gases, plasmas, and liquids are all fluids.

Please don't take this post the wrong way, I didn't intend for it to be negative.

These look interesting though.. Always good to have more options. :D

xwd 10-31-2012 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by n2oinferno (Post 531186)
Gases, plasmas, and liquids are all fluids.

Please don't take this post the wrong way, I didn't intend for it to be negative.

These look interesting though.. Always good to have more options. :D

I realize that, I should have said oil. I don't think the OP meant it as a gas however.

*KID* 10-31-2012 07:13 PM

I like how the Stillen kit came out....

out of subject but looks great

Danzzt231 11-01-2012 01:31 AM

Aren't we spoiled for choices. Awesome.

itdansharpe 11-05-2012 10:59 PM

Anyone have information on that CF spoiler? I need that in my life.

Jackson 11-06-2012 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 530438)
I'd expect pricing to be about the same as those same lines for other vehicles. For an STI a quick search shows that as ~$1,850 for the R1s, ~$2,300 for the R2s. Pro Street S I'd guesstimate around ~$1,500.

Hopefully more info will come out after SEMA. I'm hoping they'll be released in December, I'm probably going R2. Depends on a few things (job situation for one..).

Dave, you're almost dead-on with the price ranges for the kits.

The Pro-Street-S might see a slightly cheaper "street" price than $1500 but that all really depends on distribution. These will be monotube and height adjustable only with spring rates in the 275/350 range. We will use our ERS springs on these kits so different rates can be purchased separately if desired.

The Multi Pro R1 will also be monotube and will have 7 clicks of rebound/compression adjustments made through the top of the shaft. These kits will include rear upper mounts and adjustable front camber plates. We will offer an off-the-shelf kit with predetermined rates we feel will balance the car out for street AND track. However, the kits will have the option to be purchashed with custom rates if desired.

The Multi Pro R2 will be similar to the R1 kits but will include a front reservoir with compression adjustments and rebound adjustments will be made independently on the shaft. The rear reservoir will also have a knob for independent compression adjustments. We will offer an off-the-shelf kit with predetermined rates we feel will balance the car out for street AND track. However, the kits will have the option to be purchashed with custom rates if desired. Spring rates for the OTS models have not been determined for R1 and R2 kits yet. We need to get some track time with these kits first.

All three kits will utilize an external rear reservoir but only the R2 kits will have adjustments on the rear reservoirs. All three kits are designed, tested and made in-house here at Eibach North America. Rebuilds and service are available for all three kits through Eibach.

We want to do some final track testing with these kits before the final release but we're almost ready to release them. I'll keep everyone posted with updated info!

Tony

Jackson 11-06-2012 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by *KID* (Post 531326)
I like how the Stillen kit came out....

out of subject but looks great

The Stillen kit came out amazing! It fits like OE.

miwialex 11-07-2012 04:31 PM

I saw these when I was at SEMA and these looked amazing. Definitely interested in these. I hope they launch soon so I have no problem getting them by next season :)

AE86guy 11-08-2012 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by itdansharpe (Post 540735)
Anyone have information on that CF spoiler? I need that in my life.

It's from APR. Top notch quality.

itdansharpe 11-08-2012 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AE86guy (Post 546201)
It's from APR. Top notch quality.

Thank you. Any idea on how much and where to buy? I realize most guys are buying conservative 'duck bills' for this car, but I want something to reflect my tastes.

AE86guy 11-13-2012 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by itdansharpe (Post 546207)
Thank you. Any idea on how much and where to buy? I realize most guys are buying conservative 'duck bills' for this car, but I want something to reflect my tastes.

Your best bet would be to contact them directly:

APR Performance

Phone: (909) 594-3796

sales@aprperformance.com

They're really cool over there. They'll answer any questions you might have.

Thanks!

swift996 11-20-2012 08:44 PM

The R2's look pretty nice. I'm running KW V3s in my M3 and thought I'd consider the KW V3, AST, and JRZ kits for the BRZ.

Anyone have experience running the R2s?

mines13 11-20-2012 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swift996 (Post 567729)
The R2's look pretty nice. I'm running KW V3s in my M3 and thought I'd consider the KW V3, AST, and JRZ kits for the BRZ.

Anyone have experience running the R2s?

Agreed, the R2's look really nice. I will likely end up going this route when all is said and done. I can't think of any other mono-tube double adjustable (non Chinese) coil-over with external reservoirs AND are 100% complete with camber plates, springs, helpers for less then 3 grand.

swift996 11-20-2012 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mines13 (Post 567819)
Agreed, the R2's look really nice. I will likely end up going this route when all is said and done. I can't think of any other mono-tube double adjustable (non Chinese) coil-over with external reservoirs AND are 100% complete with camber plates, springs, helpers for less then 3 grand.

Agreed, seems like a pretty good value. I've never run any of their products but I know they have a great reputation.

stoneman155 01-07-2013 02:47 PM

Any updates on these, estimated ETA? I am ready to purchase!

FT-86 SpeedFactory 01-07-2013 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stoneman155 (Post 649536)
Any updates on these, estimated ETA? I am ready to purchase!

March for ETA on most these, and pre-orders get filled first so could be longer.

Dave-ROR 01-07-2013 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FT-86 SpeedFactory (Post 649658)
March for ETA on most these, and pre-orders get filled first so could be longer.

I better have mine before Feb 20th or so :) I won't bug Eibach for another week or two though :)

mines13 01-24-2013 09:24 PM

:D...

brianlo622 01-24-2013 09:53 PM

I sent a message to Jackson and the time he gave was a little earlier.

but yes, I am waiting for the R1s and the Whiteline RCAs.. should be a good match :)

Dave-ROR 01-24-2013 10:58 PM

Yeah, hopefully they'll be ready to ship in early-mid feb :)

My order has already been placed :thumbup: Going to start with 400/400 rates.

ayau 01-24-2013 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 687679)
Yeah, hopefully they'll be ready to ship in early-mid feb :)

My order has already been placed :thumbup: Going to start with 400/400 rates.

Only 400/400? I wonder if these dampers could handle 9kg/mm+ :popcorn:

What springs do the R2 come with?

Dave-ROR 01-24-2013 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ayau (Post 687684)
Only 400/400? I wonder if these dampers could handle 9kg/mm+ :popcorn:

What springs do the R2 come with?

They can. I'm starting at 400/400 because a lot of the track guys out west are in that range so I figure it's a good starting place. Additional coils are cheap so changing it up later is easy. @CSG Mike is running 10/12 on their SRCs which is probably closer to where I'll end up.. I thought about going a bit higher initially (500/550 or so) but decided to test this out first. Plus most people probably won't go as high so I figured it'd be best to review more common rates (similar to KWV3) first.

I'm not sure if Eibach wants any info out yet, so I'll let the vendors post the standard rates up if they know them. @JoeBoxer might have them.

ayau 01-24-2013 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 687699)
They can. I'm starting at 400/400 because a lot of the track guys out west are in that range so I figure it's a good starting place. Additional coils are cheap so changing it up later is easy. @CSG Mike is running 10/12 on their SRCs which is probably closer to where I'll end up.. I thought about going a bit higher initially (500/550 or so) but decided to test this out first. Plus most people probably won't go as high so I figured it'd be best to review more livable rates (similar to KWV3) first.

I'm not sure if Eibach wants any info out yet, so I'll let the vendors post the standard rates up if they know them. @JoeBoxer might have them.

The Eibachs R2 do look nice. I think they're a good compromise without having to shell out for JRZs. I can't wait to hear what you have to say about them.

Do you know if Eibach makes their own dampers?

Dave-ROR 01-24-2013 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ayau (Post 687710)
The Eibachs R2 do look nice. I think they're a good compromise without having to shell out for JRZs. I can't wait to hear what you have to say about them.

Do you know if Eibach makes their own dampers?

They are made in house IIRC (I would confirm 100% but my work email isn't searchable past a few months through OWA for some reason at the moment). Rebuilds are in house as well.

JoeBoxer 01-24-2013 11:52 PM

Standard rates i've been told are 275/350 for the pro street, i think the r1 and r2 may end up a little stiffer but haven't seen the final specs. It's eibach you can be sure there will be a big press release when they are ready. I would venture to say they are possibly the biggest name in aftermarket suspension, they are putting a lot of development in these to make sure they don't disappoint.

ayau 01-24-2013 11:54 PM

@Dave-ROR, the Gazoo 86 runs 513lb/inch. Just food for thought. I'm not sure if that's 513 front or rear though.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26809

Then again, they're running R comps.

mines13 01-25-2013 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 687679)
Yeah, hopefully they'll be ready to ship in early-mid feb :)

My order has already been placed :thumbup: Going to start with 400/400 rates.

I am going with the same rates and I am in the same boat. :D

FT-86 SpeedFactory 01-25-2013 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeBoxer (Post 687807)
Standard rates i've been told are 275/350 for the pro street, i think the r1 and r2 may end up a little stiffer but haven't seen the final specs. It's eibach you can be sure there will be a big press release when they are ready. I would venture to say they are possibly the biggest name in aftermarket suspension, they are putting a lot of development in these to make sure they don't disappoint.

Agree'd which is why we have stayed quiet. No confirmed details to share at this time. Everyone keep your pants on, all coming soon! :)

Dave-ROR 01-25-2013 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mines13 (Post 687869)
I am going with the same rates and I am in the same boat. :D

Cool :) a few of us will have reviews quick then. If I get mine before 2/21 at the latest ill have two days at Sebring on the 23rd/24th to mess with settings :)


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