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JDLAutoDesign 10-30-2012 09:39 PM

JDL Header & Exhaust System Development
 
We wanted to start this so we can share our exhaust development with you all. Ill update the first post as we get more prototypes done. If you have any questions let us know. We would also like to hear your thoughts ect :thumbsup:


Product Development Plans
- Equal Length 4 to 1 Header
- Unequal Length 4 to 1 Header
- Stainless Steel Overpipe
- Catted Front Pipe
- Non Catted Front Pipe
- Staines Steel Dual Muffler Catback
- Single Exit Titanium Catback



Now onto the pics :D We will have this bad boy welded out and on the car in a few days

http://jdlautodesign.net/wp-content/...-Collector.jpg

http://jdlautodesign.net/wp-content/...ollector_2.jpg

http://jdlautodesign.net/wp-content/...L-Header_0.jpg

http://jdlautodesign.net/wp-content/...L-Header_1.jpg

http://jdlautodesign.net/wp-content/...L-Header_2.jpg

http://jdlautodesign.net/wp-content/...L-Header_3.jpg

http://jdlautodesign.net/wp-content/...86-EL-Head.jpg

http://jdlautodesign.net/wp-content/...-EL-Head_3.jpg

http://jdlautodesign.net/wp-content/...-EL-Head_5.jpg

Just needs some O2 bungs

http://jdlautodesign.net/wp-content/...eader-Done.jpg

http://jdlautodesign.net/wp-content/...der-Done_2.jpg

http://jdlautodesign.net/wp-content/...der-Done_1.jpg

Update 12/6/12

From the header back will be dyno'd and added to the site by the end of the week. A few product shots for now

http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/...ELHeader_2.jpg

http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/...86Overpipe.jpg

Catted front pipe

http://jdlautodesign.net/wp-content/...ipe-Catted.jpg

Engine back sigle exit system

http://jdlautodesign.net/wp-content/...ngle-Exit-.jpg

Here are some on car shots. Sorry they are grainy, no tripod today

http://jdlautodesign.net/wp-content/...h-On-Car_2.jpg

http://jdlautodesign.net/wp-content/...h-On-Car_3.jpg

http://jdlautodesign.net/wp-content/...h-On-Car_4.jpg

http://jdlautodesign.net/wp-content/...h-On-Car_7.jpg

http://jdlautodesign.net/wp-content/...h-On-Car_8.jpg

Collector analysis

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lee@JDLAutoDesign (Post 685179)
Sorry for the wait guys! We saw an opportunity to do some analysis and hopefully improve our merge collector design and then leverage this design for both the equal and unequal length headers. Doing some of these design iterations analytically ultimately reduces the amount of building and testing we have to do so the end result is better products making their way to the customer sooner.

In my mind, the merge collector can make or break the success of the header design. If the collector design is effective, it can reduce the upstream exhaust pressure (for a given flow rate) and thus reduce parasitic losses associated with a cylinder having to "pump" out it's own exhaust. Obviously harmonic tuning plays an important role in cylinder evacuation, but the strongest exhaust harmonics are primarily tuned by runner length. A good merge collector can also minimize the mixing losses associated with 4 out of phase cylinders entering a common passage.

I'll spare most of the analysis details unless people are particularly interested, in which case I would be happy to elaborate. The gist of it is, I designed several collector profiles and then compared the resulting flow fields to the "baseline" collector design that has already been built and tested. I repeated these CFD runs for a range of exhaust flow rates to see if the benefits I found were across the board or only at a specific operating point. When I say a "benefit", I'm referring to reduced pressure losses across the collector. This benefit will be realized via reduced backpressure to the exhausting cylinders (and hopefully more power!).

Here is my model of the baseline collector:

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/g...ps361f84fa.png

The figure shows contours of X-Direction Velocity. The most obvious loss sources here are the large separation regions (dark blue) downstream of the collector throat and the wake that forms in the mid passage from the boundary layer of the inner wall.

An obvious way to reduce the pressure loss is to reduce the wall slope on the expanding section of the collector. Here is a model of the baseline collector with half of the expanding wall slope:

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/g...psa9bf32f2.png

Overall, these are very similar results. The longer collector with the shallower wall angle has roughly ~2% less pressure loss than the baseline with no other changes. It also has a more uniform flow field in the center of the passage, caused by a reduced diffusion rate and less separation blockage... so definitely a step in the right direction.

I have ran several other simulations that I am still post processing, but I think we have already seen enough to influence our next collector design. I'll edit this post very soon with the results of the remaining designs :popcorn:


Update 4/23/13 Unequal done and out for dynos


http://jdlautodesign.net/wp-content/...UEL-Header.jpg

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...29376719_n.jpg
http://jdlautodesign.net/wp-content/...4/FT86-UEL.jpg

Zadkiel 10-30-2012 09:52 PM

You lost me at non-catted.

Calum 10-30-2012 10:51 PM

First proper collector I've seen yet. And thanks for manning up and going catless. I can't wait to see the results.

Zaneman 10-30-2012 10:53 PM

Very excited to see a dyno of this sucker.

JDMenrique 10-30-2012 10:56 PM

Looks very nice. In for results!

JDLAutoDesign 10-30-2012 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calum (Post 529597)
First proper collector I've seen yet. And thanks for manning up and going catless. I can't wait to see the results.

Thank you! A few more pics of the collector

http://jdlautodesign.net/wp-content/...-Collector.jpg

http://jdlautodesign.net/wp-content/...ollector_2.jpg

http://jdlautodesign.net/wp-content/...ollector_1.jpg

Calum 10-30-2012 11:06 PM

That needs to be tagged NSFW. Damn that's sexy.

Jesse@JDLAutodesign 10-30-2012 11:10 PM

BTW header is a stepped design...1 5/8" to 1 3/4"

OmarGC 10-30-2012 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OmarGC (Post 529643)
Niiiiiiiicccccccceee... LMK If you want another lab rat :P

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Yruyur 10-30-2012 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zadkiel (Post 529477)
You lost me at non-catted.

Can the stock cat be added to the pipe with the resonator

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matsayswhat 10-31-2012 12:48 AM

That interior shot of the collector... Wow! Very nice!

JDLAutoDesign 10-31-2012 02:25 AM

Thanks guys. Ill update this once we get it all welded out.

JDLAutoDesign 10-31-2012 02:04 PM

Added some underside shots up top

xjohnx 10-31-2012 02:23 PM

ballpark pricerange?


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