Will Scion/Toyota and Subaru (AS1) owners be united or divided?
 

I've always been into the whole online community and in-person meet thing when it comes to owning a car with an enthusiast following. But I've never owned a car like what this car will be - basically same car (both project AS1) but branded with two different brands.

So do you think that the owners of either brands of virtually the same car will get along online and also have meets together, or are they going to prefer to keep to their own sections of the site and have their own separate meets?

Dunno how Toyota and Subaru owners get along and will get along with this car and haven't been around here long enough yet to see how the interaction has been.

I think we'll get along. We just won't get along with those who completely rice their cars out. :D

I'm guessing it'll be a sibling rivalry. We will get along but always in competition proud of our brands. kinda like the evo vs sti, cobalt vs ion vs g5, 350z/370z vs g35/g37.

I don't think it will split like that. The aftermarket will probably not be any different between the two cars and those kinds of communities are usually formed around discussing aftermarket parts. It is not like BMW vs Audi or something where you have two warring brands that hate each other, Subaru basically has the WRX/STI and Scion has the tC which both have their communities built around them. The ft86 will be a new community separate from either of them. If anything it will probably end up in the Subaru camp because of the Subaru engine, but it's not like the Subaru people hate Scion. It will just be another car at the meets.

Used to be an EVO owner

Now may become a Subie owner.

Well, $ 28000 for 200 bhp/ 0-60 in 6 sec / 2900 lb / 19/27 MPG? No way.

Hrm yea good point about them sharing aftermarket parts... that will pretty much bind everyone on the site.

Bottom line, there will be d-bags that will say theirs is better and there will be people that get along. You just have to find the right group to hang out with.

No division in the PNW, everyone here pretty much goes multi-forum now. If there is a Honda meet, everyone goes, same goes with Mazda meets, StanceNation, NWbuilt, NWnissans, ect... The lines between the communities are becoming thinner and thinner. However the subaru guys are still very alone with their meets, aka we dont see very many other communities in cahoots with subaru meets. I think this will blur more with FRS & BRZ bridging gaps.

Can we just go FRS/BRZ meet? :\ I guess I don't really want to go to Scion meet.

im down for joint meets:) no prejudice here lol

why couldnt you? rx7 guys can have their own meets without being muddied up by Mazdaspeed3 guys or other mazda tuners.

We can have FRS/BRZ meets without the rest of the lineup. Which makes this forum more closely nit and personal. vs a forum like NASIOC which spans across many tuner sub communities. We only care about 1 car here, not a maker.

It will be the same as the DSM cars: somewhat different public images but one enthusiast community.

All i know the AE86 community received the scion FR-S with open arms, i know subaru people true to the brand AWD is kinda divided and scion well they will take what they can get but i have a feeling FR-S people will kinda separate them self from other scion fwd cars.

Toyota FT-86 owners will have to rub elbows with Subaru Impreza owners for tunning knowledge.

^ that would be true if the engine was an EJ and drive train was AWD.

Couldn't have said it better myself

i actually have been thinking about this a lot. what would an frs/brz meet look like? probably mostly frs and brz, but we could potentially see ae86s and other toyotas, subarus, and even scions showing up. it would potentially be quite a diverse crowd! but hey as long as everyone's cool with each other and not attracting attention from the cops in the wrong way i'm down!:respekt:

Cause Toyota owners have so much experience with boxer engines right? Cause the FA20 is not based off the FB20 that's in the next gen Subaru Impreza right? I forgot, you're right.

What Spaceywilly said. The two cars will be like identical twin siblings wearing different clothes. One won't have any performance advantage over the other, at least on the entry level. Maybe different if Subaru releases the STi and Scion the R Type, but even then I'll bet they'll be the same mods.

Thank god. We had a meet in upstate PA a couple years back and a lot of Mazdaspeed3 guys showed up. It was kind of awkward, we have nothing in common. Kind of like an annoying little brother who has to mimic you for the sake of mimicking you.

What the hell is a Plymouth doing here? :happy0180:

well who has tuning experience with current FB boxer engines? Maybe a hand full of people have experience. Does this mean all EJ tuners will be automatically genius at FB? Maybe? maybe not?

Same goes with people who are really good with a 12a rotary engine..does it make them just as godly tuners on the 20b rotary just because its a rotary?

Or pros at tuning LS1 engines are also pros by default with LS7 engines without any experience.

Im not saying im right, im just saying I dont see a whole lot of Toyota guys going to subaru tuners for advice on this car when, while similar because of subaru technology, is still different.

Unless we are talking about engine swaps or drivetrain swaps.

Im a current subaru tuner on a BH9 Legacy, and iv got plenty of experience with EJ series..but i will not claim to be a FA20 tuner just because iv tooled the EJ.

Im game...lol i dont discrimnate as long as its no riced out stuff. We all CAR enthusiast right. Should not be any drama lol

I'm anti-social and never been to any meets. Do people get in fistfights for not driving the right car or something? Why wouldn't people be chill?

So you don't see Toyota guys going to Subaru guys for help on a car built at a Subaru factory that is mostly Subaru engineered, or on an engine that is mostly Subaru technology? Oh ok.

This is a Subaru engine with Toyota direct injection.

Obviously knowledge of previous Subaru engines will be more applicable to the FA20 than anything any Toyota tuner has ever dealt with.

Will there be differences? Sure. But will there be more similarities with other Subaru engines like the FB20 than differences? Probably.

FB is the third generation Subaru boxer platform, meaning most future Subaru boxer 4s will be based on this engine.

How many other Toyotas use boxer engines? None. How many Subarus use boxer engines?


Oh.

Well the thing about Subarus is they're all basically the same thing. For example my car now is an 02 WRX with front brakes from an 06 WRX and rear brakes from an 04 Legacy. I've swapped trunks 3 times and have no idea what year my current one came off of. I'm assuming the ft86 will be compatible with a lot of these parts too and will just become a new part of the Subaru parts bin. It's a good thing I think because you can pick and choose from a lot of different options, and the aftermarket is huge. Lets say the BRZ/FRS comes with sliding calipers and you'd rather have fixed. You can pick up the 4/2pot kit from an 06 or Brembos from an STI. Hopefully that goes for the engine too. Exhaust and suspension will probably not be compatible but I think a lot of stuff will be, especially GR stuff.

Maybe, maybe not. We have to see first. There maybe some standardized parts, but not a lot of thing, IMO.

Well I never go to car show meets, but I've met with fellow owners of the same car at the track, autox, etc and everyone mingles with people who own other cars without an issue.

I can't imagine there'd be a divide here (based on brand), but who knows. I would guess that there'd be a divide between the rice, show, track, drag, etc groups. Not out of anger or anything but out of lack of caring what one group does because it's likely the opposite of what they are interested in.

I can see this causing a divide.

It will be interesting
In the uk I guess we will get along
I run the national Subaru car show the NBO and next year it will be great to have the first of the fr/BRZ at the show
I will even have a separate section for them if there is a dozen or so

http://www.northernbigone.co.uk/

As far as online forums in the uk again I think it will be the first forum that gets up and running for the car that will get all the uk members as once one forum is set up everyone will join that one and very rarely to people move ship to another one

Roll on 2011 it's going to be a great year

I moderated at Customtacos.com for years and held many meets... I was part of the huge movement of the 05 Tacomas and especially the X-Runner debut... The funny thing was, we didn't just have meets with one kind of truck when we did, we had meets with all generations, all walks of life, on road, off road, some aren't even Tacomas...

The culture is not in the vehicle you drive, those meets are BORING, it's the people you meet and the friends you make out of it...

We also attended all Toyota meets where the car count was beyond 150+, talking Camry to Celicas, Supras to Matrixs(es? Matri?) Tacomas to Scion xA / xB / tC... The host of those meets in our area was a huge Matrix fan, my cousin was in his club too...

I went as far as a San Francisco to Huntington Beach for a meet with my local forum group, we even picked out a place to stay and made it a 3 day 2 night trip... Have people local to Modesto, Napa, Sacramento, San Jose... We literally went ALL OVER the bay and no one really cared what we drove to the meet, so long as we were there... Some even came in a car!

So it is not up to the vehicle you own, it is up to the people here, and the people you meet if you choose to go out there... I have also been a part of the i-club scene when I got the first gen 2002 WRX... Even though we ran Mt. Hamilton with 60+ cars, it wasn't the same... The meets were very boring, no one cared about anyone else, it was just a thing to do because you spent so much time talking to people and thought it was a good idea to show up... Still, if you have 60+ cars show up tho, that's probably 2 people / car at over 100 people, that meet is still a success... Just not my cup of tea...

A good meet is just getting together, picking an activity, and just hang out with people of like interest... My group ended up playing pool, mini golf, go karts, just watched the super bowl over BBQ, ate out many times, photo shoots, etc...

So if you guys want a great experience, it all starts here... Don't look for other people to make things happen, MAKE things happen and watch others follow... The truck I have now is starting to age, the forum ended up being sold off by the original owner, and I rarely visit there now, but I must say it was at least 3 - 5 years out of my life that I had experienced nothing like it... Having my daughter is probably the proudest moment of my life, but being at the meets made me feel more alive sometimes than anything else...

P.S. I do have a life and a lot of friends lol, so no I'm not a weirdo with a computer...

I think in terms of meets and such, this forum has already "united" the two camps.

But I have read posts and talked to quite a few people who have ZERO interest in owning a Scion but still want this car...

I don't have any issues with Scions or their owners, but apparently there is a stereotype that a lot of people don't want to be associated with.

As for me personally, If the Scion does end up being cheaper than the Scoob I'd buy the Scion but probably badge it as the Subaru at some point :D
Meets are not surprisingly a more "chill" place than the internet, LOL!

Seriously though, everyone at meets just hangs and chats no matter the car or no matter how much they talk trash online. People are just much more nice in person than on the intertubes.

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I think it poses a really good question. It's goin to be hard enough as it is with people from so many different tuning backgrounds flocking to this car. It's not really Scion and Subaru guys (face it, few memeber active here are scion people, and the Subbie community is half and half on this, a lot of "herrr derr...awd"). It's going to be Toyota guys (86, MR2, Celica and Supra guys) Rx7 and Miata guys, Civic Si and Integra guys, V-Dub guys, SVX and Impreza guys, 240SX, Z car and Sentra people... It's going to be a pretty eclectic mix of personalities. If we're lucky, we'll have a community of people not defined by what cars they drive, and just are pretty cool car guys all round.... doubt we'd be that lucky.

Will it be called the FT86 Meet ?

Hard to have any rivalry when the cars are pretty much identical. Even the interior is just different color pallettes

I think AS1 meet would be a little more appropriate (chassis designation) for all the models under different badges

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Highly doubt that with amount of money Scion puts into it's community driven meets/events they put on each year, such as Scion Exposed.




Why is it people speak in conclusions here, that are not based on any factual information? Does it even matter where it comes from, just as long as it's the right information?

We will be united! We basically have the same car, just different front bumpers.

Yep the tC is done...LMAO...well maybe in motorsports, but I don't see any 350HP FR-S yet...so its not done yet.

FR-S can't compete in FWD competitions last I checked...;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7E6RCcfEGg&hd=1


Yea, I went there...