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Racecomp Engineering 11-19-2012 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Kido1986 (Post 565244)
I assume (I don't know much about RCE so forgive me) that the revalves will be very well matched to the RCE springs? They (Springs) are on my short list of springs to do STX autocrossing until I can afford JRZ/KWs.

Yes, we (actually our sister company GTWORX) worked with Bilstein for a custom valved full strut for Impreza matched to RCE springs and that's something we plan on doing for the BRZ and FRS. It takes time though.

Bilstein vs. Koni is a tough call with advantages to both. Bilstein being a quality inverted front monotube with gas pressure that's easily and cheaply revalved vs. Koni being a quality twintube that's damping adjustable and has tons of support as well. I run Koni Yellows on my personal car. While some are "Koni til I die!" or vice versa I know that I would be very happy with Bilstein sports too. :)

- Andrew

AZP Installs 11-19-2012 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Calum (Post 565095)
Nice, I wish you guys were near me.

You gotta appreciate that something like this could be intimidating to someone that's never done it before.

Definitely. It can be pretty intimidating but there are a lot of DIY writeups and it isn't terribly bad, also if you can find a shop that is pretty reasonably priced it's worth it.

And FYI we don't even sell Konis so this isn't a sales pitch either.

-mike

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AZP Installs 11-19-2012 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kido1986 (Post 565244)
I assume (I don't know much about RCE so forgive me) that the revalves will be very well matched to the RCE springs? They (Springs) are on my short list of springs to do STX autocrossing until I can afford JRZ/KWs.

I'm sure the guys at RCE will have a very nice setup. I've known them for a long time and always have quality suspension parts.

-mike

AZP Installs 11-19-2012 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering (Post 565298)
Yes, we (actually our sister company GTWORX) worked with Bilstein for a custom valved full strut for Impreza matched to RCE springs and that's something we plan on doing for the BRZ and FRS. It takes time though.

Bilstein vs. Koni is a tough call with advantages to both. Bilstein being a quality inverted front monotube with gas pressure that's easily and cheaply revalved vs. Koni being a quality twintube that's damping adjustable and has tons of support as well. I run Koni Yellows on my personal car. While some are "Koni til I die!" or vice versa I know that I would be very happy with Bilstein sports too. :)

- Andrew


100% agree, both are great setups and I would say the RCE custom valved setup is probably even better than the Konis, the only downside as you said is the adjustability and availability.

-mike

Calum 11-19-2012 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AZP Installs (Post 565510)
Definitely. It can be pretty intimidating but there are a lot of DIY writeups and it isn't terribly bad, also if you can find a shop that is pretty reasonably priced it's worth it.

And FYI we don't even sell Konis so this isn't a sales pitch either.

-mike

http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/91072632.jpg
AIM: AZP Installs
E-mail: paisan@azpinstalls.com
725 Fairfield Ave (Rear)
Kenilworth, NJ 07033


"Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!"

NICE, :happy0180:

AZP Installs 11-19-2012 06:30 PM

We just have used em for a long time and hope to help out folks who may have less experience in tracking/modding in general.

-mike

Racecomp Engineering 11-19-2012 06:49 PM

AZP are good peoples!

- drew

WolfSongX 12-14-2012 12:21 AM

I had an 02 WRX wagon so inserts were the only way to go. It wasn't the funnest mod experience, but the results were more than worth the effort involved. The were very well-matched to the Prodrive springs I was running and offered comfort, performance, and feel that few WRX suspensions could match. Driving my car was enough to convince several guys with high dollar coilover suspensions to go back to a strut and spring combination. In suspension tuning, sometimes less is more, and simpler is better.
I would do Koni shocks again in a heartbeat, even if all they offered were inserts.

gmookher 12-14-2012 12:29 AM

coilovers are cake, get a quality set you can afford if going beyond rce yellows+ inserts or whatever

AZP Installs 12-14-2012 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by WolfSongX (Post 607914)
I had an 02 WRX wagon so inserts were the only way to go. It wasn't the funnest mod experience, but the results were more than worth the effort involved. The were very well-matched to the Prodrive springs I was running and offered comfort, performance, and feel that few WRX suspensions could match. Driving my car was enough to convince several guys with high dollar coilover suspensions to go back to a strut and spring combination. In suspension tuning, sometimes less is more, and simpler is better.
I would do Koni shocks again in a heartbeat, even if all they offered were inserts.

We will likely be offering pre-built Koni inserts for the BRZ once they become available. Depending on how much we can get the front housings for.

-Mike Paisan

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Kido1986 12-14-2012 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by AZP Installs (Post 607961)
We will likely be offering pre-built Koni inserts for the BRZ once they become available. Depending on how much we can get the front housings for.

-Mike Paisan

Offer a discount for return of OEMs, like a core charge refund? Keeps your supply higher, keeps customer cost down as well.

Silverpike 12-14-2012 02:59 AM

Can someone answer this for me:

I thought that BRZ struts are dimensionally equivalent to 05+ STI front struts, and rears are equivalent to 08+ STI struts. If this is true, then can't any existing Koni insert for those years work? I'm sure the valving is different, but revalving isn't that hard.

Actually, that means coilovers should be directly portable also, ignoring spring rate and damping forces.

AZP Installs 12-14-2012 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kido1986 (Post 607996)
Offer a discount for return of OEMs, like a core charge refund? Keeps your supply higher, keeps customer cost down as well.

That is the plan as well.

-Mike Paisan

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TRev 12-14-2012 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by AZP Installs (Post 608419)
That is the plan as well.

-Mike Paisan

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11+ Years Maintaining, Modifying and Educating TriState Subaru Enthusiasts.
Call directly as We carry almost every manufacturer now, so before you buy parts call us.

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Exactly what I would be looking for. I have no desire to do the inserts myself. Do you have a waiting list? If so, please sign me up. Thanks


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