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Grishbok 09-20-2012 07:57 AM

Rotary. If youve ever mastered and wrangled in an 80's mkII or mkIII rx7, the FRS will fit like an old shoe.

jadewbj 09-20-2012 10:25 AM

A V6 would be so wrong for the FRS. The flat 4 is what makes the center so low. Like others have said, maybe a flat 6, but you would need a bigger car which would not be the same.

I prefer the turbo 4's vs 6s in almost all cars. Audi has even eliminated the V6 since they were selling so poorly and all the A4's come with the turbo 4.

To say a V6 is best sounding is funny because you could then just compare that to a V8 which is louder and deeper.

Would I be happy if the car had more power? Yes. Does it need more power to be fun? No.

EvoFanatic 09-20-2012 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cgrey (Post 450527)
Dud3, ur ganna h4t3 da B0x3r it d0 not haf a v6 in it lik da max has s0 it sux vry sl0 u kn0? i wuld pik 25 v6s in ma frs iffa had da option den it be m4d f4st n i wuldnt h4f 2 lern 2 driv3 n culd sw3rv r43l f4st 4 ma ex1t l1k a R-tard

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and stay out! :paddle:

czar07 09-20-2012 10:41 AM

Turbo.

Synack 09-20-2012 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by czar07 (Post 450902)
Turbo.

That's pretty much what solved my problem ;)

RyleyMA61 09-20-2012 11:23 AM

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SkitterSkotter 09-20-2012 12:40 PM

ahh I see we are back on to discussing if this car is fast or not...blah. Of course you will be able to accelerate at highway speeds. The real difference here is that you maxima won't need to rev as high as the fr-s to get that punch. There is certainly enough power, but you will have to downshift to get it.

That said, even if there was a v6 offered with this car, I would not have ticked that box. It is not worth the extra weight, reduction in fuel economy, and its overall size.

FRiSson 09-20-2012 01:39 PM

It's not more power you need, but more awareness in your driving. Driving is like a zen experience, alertness and mindfulness will reward you far more than distraction, with the occasional frenzied effort to correct a mistake. The FR-S demands and rewards vigilance, even temper and finesse.

I read an article once by a journalist who accompanied a famous racing driver on an ordinary drive around Los Angeles. The writer was astonished at how good the driver was in traffic. He was constantly alert of his surroundings, highly focused, anticipated problems, and yet stayed well ahead of the average traffic speed. All while driving with consummate smoothness and calm. He was driving a Ford Taurus.

switchlanez 09-20-2012 02:07 PM

I replaced my G35 with my BRZ. Doesn't overtake on the freeway as easily but still does the job competently (much better than my 2880lb 150hp SX4) and I enjoy it much much MUCH more overall. G35 felt like a boat; BRZ feels like a racecar.

Shouldn't this thread be in the "vs." forum?

Nevermore 09-20-2012 03:06 PM

I can't say much on my experience with the FR-S since all I've done so far is a very short test drive, but I can say that it felt fine on power then, and given what I'm used to with my 626, it'll be more than powerful enough for me. According to edmunds my car has 130HP and 130 ft-lbs of torque and weighs about 2900lbs (though a friend of mine pointed out the sticker on the door jam said 3900). With a similar weight and 20 less ft-lbs of torque the 626 feels more than capable of managing traffic.

Actually, I've commented on how much I like my car's torque even though it seems low after reading stuff on here. For someone like me, the FR-S definitely doesn't need a v6. A flat-4 is definitely what most people need, and can be happy with. Actually, a v6 probably wouldn't even appeal to me.

SUB-FT86 09-20-2012 05:01 PM

I'm a V6 lover but a this car is better design for a Flat 4. But a bigger Flat 4(2.5L) would be the perfect medium between a 2.0L 4 and a 3.0L 6 cylinder engine. I love the Goldilocks engine choice between these two.

SUB-FT86 09-20-2012 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Grishbok (Post 450526)
Personally, I hate V6 engines, they are a dying design, they dont produce enough power to compensate for the additional weight, a turbo-4cyl is much more powerful, lighter weight, better balanced, and for non-race oriented perspectives, better mileage.

If your talking, even thinking about a v6 in the frs, stop that thought and end it right there because your missing the entire purpose and design focus of the car.

This part right here has fail written all over it!!! V6's produce plenty power/torque for the weight of the typical vehicle it resides in. This sentence you posted is better suited to a 4 cylinder engined vehicle. A Nissan 370Z weighs 3,250 lbs and come with 332 hp. That is 9.9 lbs per horsepower and almost double the torque of a BRZ/FRS in a vehicle that doesn't weigh twice as much. 100hp/L is nothing when it comes to acceleration. Its all about POWER TO WEIGHT RATIO!.

HunterGreene 09-20-2012 05:12 PM

I prefer the flat 4 in the FR-S, for many of the reasons already stated here.

the v6 is not going away. Just like the turbo 4 is replacing the v6 in some applications, the v6-turbo is replacing the v8 in alot of truck applications, and is incredibly successful. Ford is making huge bucks on this setup in their trucks now. Their turbo-v6 (ecoboost) makes more power and torque than their N/A v8, and despite the price premium, has outsold the v8 versions by quite a bit.

/argument.

czar07 09-20-2012 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HunterGreene (Post 451618)
I prefer the flat 4 in the FR-S, for many of the reasons already stated here.

the v6 is not going away. Just like the turbo 4 is replacing the v6 in some applications, the v6-turbo is replacing the v8 in alot of truck applications, and is incredibly successful. Ford is making huge bucks on this setup in their trucks now. Their turbo-v6 (ecoboost) makes more power and torque than their N/A v8, and despite the price premium, has outsold the v8 versions by quite a bit.

/argument.

I believe its an Inline 6.

Anyway I think a 2.2-2.5l NA boxer 4 or a turbo 2.0l boxer 4 is perfect for this car. 250hp (at engine) would be absolutely perfect.


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