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civicdrivr 09-20-2012 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alyon (Post 452107)
Mine also feels like this.

I have driven a manual for around 4 years before owning this and never had any issues. Unless I am going downhill I have to give it a blip to around 1.3k-1.5k. Backing up on a hill is the worst though. There is no fucking good way to not ride the clutch.

This clutch also seems very light. Even a little bit of riding or a crappy start and you will smell it.

Am I doing something stupid? or does the Boxer just idle very low? I also found the throttle is not very sensitive for the first .5" or so of travel making it easy to over rev.

:iono:

Theres not a whole lot of torque, so you have to give it more gas to get going. In my CL I practically let the clutch out half way before giving it gas and the car likes it. In the FR-S I need to rev up to ~1-1.2k rpms for a smooth engagement. My CL makes more then twice the torque of this car though.

fistpoint 09-21-2012 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MRZ415 (Post 444766)
Well for you MT Pro out there, any advice to a future noob so I don't blow the clutch at 700 miles ..

I intend to STEP on Break and Let go of clutch till car shakes then let it engage
naturally without gas first, Next Step I will watch for RPM DIP, as I give it a bit of
gas n let go of more clutch RPM drops and I've been told thats when I let go of the
clutch totally n give even more gas... right ? wrong ?

Even though I've been told this isn't technically true, it seems to have worked for me since I have a 3rd vehicle approaching the 160000 mile mark with the original clutch...but here goes:

The less time your foot is on the clutch, the longer it will last.

I'd rather make a jerky 1st gear start instead of roasting the clutch too long and having a smooth start. That translates to less time "on the clutch" and has proven successful for nearly half a million miles of manual driving for me, almost all of it(95%+) in city traffic.

Also, you don't have to push the clutch pedal to the floor to shift, except for 1st and reverse, both of those gears require the clutch pedal being all the way down. On all my Hondas, the clutch engaged at the top 1/4 or 1/3 of the overall travel so when you're shifting into any gear other than 1st or reverse, you only had to press it a little. Every clutch is different I'm sure, your job is to find out where it engages and simply let it become a "muscle memory". You'll find yourself doing it automatically in no time...but if you ever get a little lazy doing it that way, you'll get some gear grind so be careful and pay attention.

For what it's worth, I've fallen into the lazy shifting hundreds of times in the 9.5 years on my current car/clutch/tranny with hundreds of little grinds here and there and it all still works just fine at 159000+ miles. It's those loooong drawn out griiiiiiind/zzzzzzztt you want to be afraid of.

czar07 09-21-2012 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fistpoint (Post 452348)
Even though I've been told this isn't technically true, it seems to have worked for me since I have a 3rd vehicle approaching the 160000 mile mark with the original clutch...but here goes:

The less time your foot is on the clutch, the longer it will last.

I'd rather make a jerky 1st gear start instead of roasting the clutch too long and having a smooth start. That translates to less time "on the clutch" and has proven successful for nearly half a million miles of manual driving for me, almost all of it(95%+) in city traffic.

Also, you don't have to push the clutch pedal to the floor to shift, except for 1st and reverse, both of those gears require the clutch pedal being all the way down. On all my Hondas, the clutch engaged at the top 1/4 or 1/3 of the overall travel so when you're shifting into any gear other than 1st or reverse, you only had to press it a little. Every clutch is different I'm sure, your job is to find out where it engages and simply let it become a "muscle memory". You'll find yourself doing it automatically in no time...but if you ever get a little lazy doing it that way, you'll get some gear grind so be careful and pay attention.

For what it's worth, I've fallen into the lazy shifting hundreds of times in the 9.5 years on my current car/clutch/tranny with hundreds of little grinds here and there and it all still works just fine at 159000+ miles. It's those loooong drawn out griiiiiiind/zzzzzzztt you want to be afraid of.

When driving alone I always have jerky starts to save the clutch, but I find when driving with someone else in the car it seems a bit rude, so I make smooth starts.

Bluecille 09-22-2012 06:06 AM

E-brake technique
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by whtchocla7e (Post 444825)
What about creeping up a hill? I have a stop sign at an incline. There's a line of cars in front of me stopping at the sign and taking off one by one. What do I do?


I would recommend using the ebrake. It might take some practice but anytime I worry about rolling back I engage the ebrake. Simple to do when the handle is at your hip. And I have not read all the posts so my apologizes if I am repeating something someone already mentioned

Joe Schmoe 09-22-2012 08:51 AM

You guys really should learn heal-toeing for hills.

1. Sit in neutral with your foot on the brake
2. Clutch in and select first, foot still on the brake
3. Swivel your ankle and use the other half of your right foot to give the car a little gas while keeping pressure on the brake (right foot is now on two pedals)
4. Begin to lift your clutch foot while maintaining the little pressure on the gas and slowly removing pressure from the brake until the clutch is engaged.

Notes:
- if you have small feet, turn your whole leg and foot so the heel of your foot is operating the brake and your toes are operating the gas (hence the name).
- it's an art to master it.....you bought a manual sports car, learn it.
- creeping is creeping and there's nothing you can do to not ride the clutch.
- if you get good at it, if you're on a flat road and someone is being a d*ck behind you at a light, the hill technique above lets you drag your brakes enough to keep your brake lights on as you leave the light and pull away from the aforementioned d*ck (at whatever speed is appropriate lol)...they are left sitting there without the cue of your brake lights turning off.

Hawaiian 09-22-2012 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Schmoe (Post 454428)
You guys really should learn heel-toeing for hills.

1. Sit in neutral with your foot on the brake
2. Clutch in and select first, foot still on the brake
3. Swivel your ankle and use the other half of your right foot to give the car a little gas while keeping pressure on the brake (right foot is now on two pedals)
4. Begin to lift your clutch foot while maintaining the little pressure on the gas and slowly removing pressure from the brake until the clutch is engaged.

Notes:
- if you have small feet, turn your whole leg and foot so the heel of your foot is operating the brake and your toes are operating the gas (hence the name).
- it's an art to master it.....you bought a manual sports car, learn it.
- creeping is creeping and there's nothing you can do to not ride the clutch.
- if you get good at it, if you're on a flat road and someone is being a d*ck behind you at a light, the hill technique above lets you drag your brakes enough to keep your brake lights on as you leave the light and pull away from the aforementioned d*ck (at whatever speed is appropriate lol)...they are left sitting there without the cue of your brake lights turning off.

Fixed...

civicdrivr 09-22-2012 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hawaiian (Post 454531)
Fixed...

But what if your toe is hurt?

White64Goat 09-23-2012 10:32 PM

:cry: What.........turf toe?


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