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Congratulations! You have to be top 10 for making it the most miles until CEL. Doesn't exactly give me confidence (1100 miles here - no CEL).

Wow. After 6k+ miles! Sorry that it happened. Did you have idle dip all this time too? Or did it just happen without idle dip issue?

^This
Just broke 3k, no CEL yet. :eyebulge:

oh wow, that is unsettling, just when i thought for sure I was in the clear

on my phone and late for work, so I will make this brief.

I was 1 of the first to report the Idle dip issue.

the slip light went away.

I had the code read at Autozone.

P0011: cam bank 1 advanced timing.

they weren't allowed to reset the code, I don't have tools to take the battery terminal off, I will do it after work.

Sorry to hear this has happened, not good news for all of us. I hope they find a permanent fix for this soon.

Why would you clear the code and not have the issue diagnosed?

prob the turbo

Mine's at 3k just barely, no dip though. Now I'm getting scared as mine's going in the garage shortly for winter, won't be out till spring again. Hope I get the issue before I store it...

+1

My car might see 1k more miles before it gets put away for the winter. I would like to think Toyota/Subaru would have the fix down to a science by next spring. :)

If they don't do a recall, then I feel sorry for anyone who gets 36001 miles before getting this error. I read here that some of the repair costs have almost gotten as high as $4000(warranted of course).

At least yours didn't burst into flames.

Mine does the idle dipping too... I hope the problem gets resolved soon so they can roll out the recall... It definitely is a recall at this point I would say...

Hopefully yours get fixed and never have to deal with this sh*t ever again.

Thanks... I think.

Yeah, I was just checking out the CEL issue list the other day to see who had the most miles before a CEL. I was feeling pretty secure since I was about 2k over the next person.

Well, I have a few upgrades to my car that might not be Warranty friendly. I was also late for work, and didn't have time. I did get Autozone to print a reciept with proof of the CEL for later

No turbo for me, yet...

So now that I'm home and at my computer here's the whole story.

I was running a few errands today, and managing with the usual moderate late afternoon city traffic. I had just noticed over the last few days that my cars Idle Dip was a little more severe than normal, so I was actually watching it at every stoplight that was longer than 30 seconds.

As I stated earlier, I was one of the first few to report the Idle dip, and even had a few missfires early on, but I've never thrown a CEL prior to this.

Today it wasn't dipping as much as it was a rough shudder. The car FELT like it was dipping, however, the needle wasn't bouncing. That's when the CEL and SL came on.

This caused me to scream one very loud F-Bomb, and make a call to secure an Ecutek cable incase I needed an immedeiate flash to stock.

3 blocks later I pulled over (running an errand), and when I came back out and started my car up the SL was gone, but the CEL was still there. I headed straight for the closest Autozone to get the code read, and was praying it wasn't the magic P0015-P0018.

Durring the drive I noticed that even though TC was on, it didn't kick on as quickly, and it wasn't as effective in keeping the car in line as it was before. It also wasn't running as smoothly. I wonder if that was due to the "limp mode". Someone else had reported a similar problem a few days ago when their CEL was thrown.

As you can see, in the photo of the reciept, the error code was P0011, not the other cam code, but still related to the cams, so I'm not completely at ease.

I drove in to work (17miles), and parked. After work I grabbed their toolkit and went to go pull the battery terminals to reset the CEL, and see if it came back... But when I turned my car on, it was gone. I still reset the battery as a precaution, Let it idle for 5 minutes to get the rev idle down from 1500, to 700, and took it for a soft drive, before working through the RPM range.

The CEL is still off, the car is running smoothly now, and the TC is back to what it should be. I will give it a few days, and then flash it back to stock, and take my crank pulley off, before taking it in to a dealer to check out. I will be using a different dealer than the one that got my car stuck for 6 days the last time.

I think your the first P0011 I've seen....

P0016 Crankshaft Position Abnormality - P000A Slow Response - P0011 Target Error (Bank 1=Passenger Side, Sensor A=Intake Cam)
P0018 Crankshaft Position Abnormality - P000C Slow Response - P0021 Target Error (Bank 2=Drivers Side, Sensor A=Intake Cam)
P0017 Crankshaft Position Abnormality - P000B Slow Response - P0014 Target Error (Bank 1=Passenger Side, Sensor B=Exhaust Cam)
P0019 Crankshaft Position Abnormality - P000D Slow Response - P0024 Target Error (Bank 2=Drivers Side, Sensor B=Exhaust Cam)

Well F@#k me runnin.
I have a feeling this is in my future too. I've been experiencing some odd idle behavior and even rough idle at times; it usually happens when I'm not paying attention and catches me by surprise. I'm often saying to myself "WTF just happened?"

Dammit! I feel for you...:cry:

Damn, I guess nobody is safe from the CEL/SL issue. Hope yours was just an intermittent fault and wont bother you again!

Hopefully those of us that already had the service done are!

Oh yeah, almost forgot about you guys :D

i didnt get my car yet but this is really irratiating me

I'm at 1900 and it's starting to worry me.. If I get this cel I'm debating if I should take off my exhaust/Midpipe and switch it to stock when I go to the dealers..

You can leave the new exhaust on. They wont even notice it, and if they did, it won't void your warranty.

Is it safe to say that the ECU is causing all this? If so, Subaru/Toyota should be able to reflash it some time soon right?...

Are there any BRZ owners here with similar diagnostic slips or repair orders like the one above? If you do, would you guys mind posting them on this thread too? Thanks

I got that from autozone actually. They will scan you for free, and then give a printout. It's a great sales tool for them because they can sell you repair parts all in one swoop.

I doubt there will ever be a recall for this issue as it's not a safety concern. Recalls are rarely issued for a mechanical problem. There will be a TSB issued and effected cars will be repaired. That's my $.02

I'm at 7400 and still no CEL...hehe...I guess keeping it blown out does help!

This is absolutely a safety issue. There are a couple of things that occur when this problem manifests itself:

- misfiring engine (loss of power = difficult to drive in emergency situations)
- stalling engine (no power = stuck at intersections, rail crossings, etc.)
- improper valve control (fuel mixing in exhaust = fire)

Cost of recall and fixing problem on ALL cars vs Cost of fixing problem on only symptomatic cars?
I guess you got your answer to whether there will ever be a recall.

Recall or no recall; whatever their (Toyota/Subaru) decision is... In the end it will certainly affect their image and reputation, especially with the amount of attention the twins receive from the media.

Only time will tell I guess...

If this car wasnt as good as it is, I think 70% of the effected people wouldve spat the dummy and that wouldve been a BIG problem for Toyobaru. The lack of communication regarding the issue is just fucked. plus dealers are useless, which makes it worse.

I believe there will be a recall coming, after they find out the root cause of this problem, and the correct way to fix it, which now believe to be a new ECU (therefore a software fix). Toyota already learn it hard way when a small problem (like rug) can caused some death and pay even higher cost for their reputation. Recall a few thousands ECUs out there is a quicker, cheaper and easier fix then deal with lawsuits down the road. Besides, they can make the MSRP for 2013 model $??? higher to absorb this cost and end up even better.

Pretty sure it would be a safety issue considering it disables a standard safety feature. no?

I'm not sure it will affect their reputation much, even if they are recalled. Cars in much greater volumes get recalled every week, and many for more dangerous things than this, and you never hear about it. I subscribe to the list from the NHTSA they send out every week, makes some interesting reading.

Just review the list from this month. Just this one from on the Ford Escape alone covers more cars and has the potential to result in a total loss of coolant and engine fires. I haven't heard word-one about it in any press.

What would affect their reputation more is if there is an issue, and they are forced to recall it after incidents (or perceived incidents as was the case with the unintended acceleration recall).

I've owned great cars with a few issues that get addressed and mediocre cars that had no issues. I'll take the former over the latter any day.

We don't yet know who is at fault here.
I don't think it's fair to assume that Toyota's reputation would be tarnished since there's two parties involved here.
Whether those details are ever revealed remains to be seen.
It's probably safe to say that even if it wasn't Toyota, they'd take the hit anyway for obvious reasons.

Damn you broke my record of 5700. Good luck.

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