The credibility is out there, just you choose to look the other way.

I know I'm talking to a brick wall with you guys, so carry on believing in your myths...

im not looking the other way. you havent shown any credibility but fine civic > gtr

Put the shoe on the other foot. You post something up. I've told you the truth.

What, you think the R32/3/4 GTR is the fastest car on the planet or something? :iono:

K, after coming back from playing some soccer, I read is this? Really?

I don't care if you have driven more GT-R than me. I don't care. What's that gotta do w anything? Is that tells me you know GT-R more than me? Who want your left nut anyways? :iono:

Sorry what? Have you ever look at the rec? You better get your facts right.

Nissan Skyline GT-R (not R35 series) fastest is #2 (Nismo Z-tune) w 1:01.15 vs fastest Civic is ranked #87 (Mugen Type-R RR) w 1:06.68

& please don't give that Nismo Z-tune isn't stock BS. If that was the case, Mugen Type-R RR isn't either.

If you wanna say stock vs stock that's the fine. Wanna do pure stock no after tune shop bs? K, look at Rank #43 R34 vs #107 for Civic. Even so you claim weak R32 beat Civic (R32 ranked #106).... btw that R32 had 16" old spec tires.

FYI, all these rec was made by so you claim Best Motoring (bout 98% of records).

1. Radical SR4 1.2 1:00.29
2. Nissan Nismo R34 Z-Tune 1:01.15
3. Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera 1:01.60
4. Nissan GT-R 1:01.76
5. Ferrari 458 Italia 1:02.24
6. Ferrari 360 CS 1:02.44
7. Nissan GT-R Spec-V 1:02.48
8. Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 1:02.55
9. Lamborghini Gallardo LP550-2 Valentino Balboni 1:03.16
10. Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4 1:03.23
11. Porsche 997 GT2 1:03.26
12. Porsche 997 Turbo facelift 1:03.45
13. KTM X-Bow 1:03.54
14. Lamborghini Gallardo 1:03.60
15. Audi R8 4.2 FSI quattro 1:03.88
16. Ferrari F40 1:03.95
17. Subaru Impreza WRX STi 1:04.00
18. Nissan NISMO 400R 1:04.00
19. Porsche 997 Turbo 1:04.12
20. Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VIII RS 1:04.15
21. Lotus 2-Eleven 1:04.24
22. Porsche 993 GT2 1:04.25
23. Porsche 997 Carrera 4S (facelift) 1:04.42
24. Porsche 997 GT3 RS 1:04.51
25. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 1:04.55
26. McLaren F1 1:04.62
27. Mitsubishi Lancer Evo V 1:04.65
28. Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII MR RS 6MT 1:04.67
29. Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII MR 1:04.70
30. Lamborghini Murcielago 1:04.76
31. Porsche 997 GT3 1:04.84
32. Audi R8 V10 5.2 FSI 1:04.87
33. Mazda RX-7 Series 8 Type RS 1:04.88
34. Subaru Impreza S204 1:04.90
35. Mitsubishi Evo VII 1:04.93
36. Honda NSX-R 1:04.95
37. Subaru Impreza RA SPEC C 1:04.95
38. Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VI 1:05.15
39. Honda NSX Type-S Zero 1:05.17
40. Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VIII 1:05.20
41. Porsche Panamera Turbo 1:05.22
42. Ferrari 360 Modena 1:05.25
43. Nissan Skyline GT-R R34 V-Spec 1:05.32
44. Porsche 997 Carrera S (2008 facelift) 1:05.35
45. Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII MR RS 5MT 1:05.38
46. Subaru Impreza WRX STI R205 1:05.48
47. Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII RS 6MT 1:05.49
48. Mitsubishi Lancer EVO IX 1:05.53
49. Porsche 997 Carrera (2008 facelift) 1:05.58
50. Ferrari F355 1:05.61
51. Porsche 996 Turbo 1:05.65
52. Venturi 400 GT 1:05.66
53. Subaru Impreza WRX STi (2ltr Version) 1:05.67
54. Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI (Tommi Makinen) 1:05.69
55. BMW M3 (E92) 1:05.70
56. Ferrari F50 1:05.81
57. Porsche 964 Carrera RS 1:05.86
58. Lotus Exige Cup 260 1:05.88
59. Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R V-spec 1:05.88
60. Subaru Impreza WRX STi Spec C 1:05.88
61. Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII RS 1:05.89
62. Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano 1:05.92
63. Porsche 997 Carrera 4 (facelift) 1:05.96
64. Porsche 993 Turbo (3.6) 1:05.97
65. Porsche 997 Carrera 4 1:05.98
66. Nissan Skyline GT-R R34 1:06.00
67. Honda NSX-R (3.0) 1:06.01
68. Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX GSR 1:06.06
69. RUF CTR Yellow Bird 1:06.12
70. Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X RALLIART 1:06.12
71. BMW M3 Sedan (E90) 1:06.15
72. Audi TT-RS Coupe 1:06.27
73. Subaru Impreza WRX STI R205 1:06.28
74. Mazda RX-7 RZ 1:06.36
75. Nissan Skyline GT-R R34 V-Spec II 1:06.37
76. Porsche 987 Boxster S (276bhp) 1:06.40
77. Subaru Impreza STI Type RA-R 1:06.41
78. Mercedes E63 AMG 1:06.50
79. Subaru Impreza STI Spec C 1:06.53
80. Subaru Impreza WRX STI (2.5l) 1:06.56
81. BMW M5 (E60) 1:06.56
82. Honda NSX Type-S 1:06.57
83. Nissan Nismo 370Z 1:06.64
84. Porsche Cayman S(facelift) PDK 1:06.66
85. Nissan Nismo 350Z 1:06.66
86. Nissan 370Z 1:06.67
87. Mugen Honda Civic Type RR 1:06.68
88. Toyota Supra RZ 1:06.75
89. RUF BR2 EKS 1:06.77
90. Porsche 964 Carrera RS N/GT 1:06.85
91. Honda NSX Type-S 1:06.87
92. BMW M3 CSL (E46) 1:06.88
93. Mazda RX-7 Type R BATHURST A Spec 1:07.03
94. Lexus IS F 1:07.09
95. Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R 1:07.09
96. BMW M3 (E46) 1:07.11
97. Lotus Elise S2 1:07.14
98. Lotus Elise 111R 1:07.14
99. Porsche 993 Carrera RS 1:07.15
100. Porsche 993 Carrera 4S 1:07.18
101. Mitsubishi LancerEvolution III GSR 1:07.35
102. Mercedes C 63 AMG 1:07.37
103. Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IV GSR 1:07.38
104. BMW M6 1:07.43
105. Mercedes SLK 55 AMG 1:07.45
106. Nissan Skyline GT-R R32 V-spec 1:07.45
107. Honda Civic Type-R JDM (FD2) 1:07.49
108. BMW E30 M3 Sport Evolutione 1:07.54
109. Mitsubishi Lancer GSR Evo X 1:07.59
110. TVR Tamora 1:07.62

reference site: http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/tsukuba.html

Wanna prove me wrong?

note: Don't get me wrong, I'm not fan of GT-R. I'm Subaru>Toyota>Nissan>Honda

Yes, 100% agree, that was the list I was using. This is on a race track, in flat out race mode, very different conditions to the street you agree? :iono:

As I said, even talking stock, an Ek civic type R is quicker around Tsukuba than an R32 gtr. And that is on a track, let alone a street. :)

Apart from the R35's, I would say in all fairness, the first 'real' GTR on that list is #43. As I said before, look at all the evo's ahead of it. :)

My first point: R32 gtr's are nothing on a r35, let alone an r33 or r34. It's evolution. I've driven all of them, and the r35 is a quantum leap ahead of the pack. It's typical Japanese, everything just works. Maybe people want that 'I'm going to die' feeling when driving their car?

(And Nismo Z tune stock? :bellyroll: and neither is Mugen RR)

And an R32 is 3 seconds and change faster around Ebisu than an EK9. You could go on all day really.....

Track & street been different? Different where? There's a road to follow and turns to make. what's the difference from the track?

Evo beating GT-R time? Who cares. That wasn't even in the top.

Your first point? No, your first point was

Your point was saying R32/33/34 is slower than Integra Type-R... but there's no proof to proven your statement.

EK Civic Type-R is faster around Tsukuba than R32... which I've proven wrong by showing that rec. EK wasn't even in the list. R32 have blown EK away

Your point is your bro don't know how to drive. I got that one loud and clear.

& EK is over 10 yrs old. AE86 is close to 30. Countach is close to 35.. and the point is?

and in the end

Without proof, you're not convincing no one here.

You gonna do without proof, so here's mine. GT-R>Civic Type-R stock vs stock, tune vs tune, & street or track.

If you have driven more GT-R than me and don't see the statement to be true, you haven't driven actual GT-R before

GTR oil pumps still explode at high rpm. Just sayin'...

Gtr's are what 1550-1600kgs? And put out what 200kw at the wheels?
Not exactly supercars.....

you can't exactly use top speed can you? 90* corners....
The honda type R's have 4.7 diff gears. They are rockets on the street.

It was one of my points that your beloved GTR isn't the god you think it is. It takes lots of money to bring them up to STOCK EVO STANDARDS.

on the street.

coolstorybro, needs more dragons.

159. Honda Civic Type-R (EK9) 1:09.48 107 '97 185 / 1073 Best Motoring

179. Nissan Skyline R32 GT-R 1:10.31 106 '89 280 / 1430 Akihiko Nakaya
well, it's pretty obvious that you guys are all GTR fan boys.....

They are dime a dozen here.

its not that everybody is a gtr fanboy but you talk about it like the car is horrible and providing one example where a civic is faster isnt enough to change anyones mind

It's all depends on place isn't it? I sure can go through top speed on 90 corner on the street just like track. I just don't

Forgot to add the Mitsu in that list.
Subaru>Toyota>Mitsubishi>Nissan>Honda.

Actually glad Evo beat GT-R rec, but it's nothing to do w debate.

I'll take this rec:
106. Nissan Skyline GT-R R32 V-spec 1:07.45 110 '93 280 / 1500 Best motoring
V-Spec is still stock Nisan spec

what is your basis for the hierarchy of companies racing history? production car coolness? quality? i wouldnt agree with you based on any of those factors. to each his own though

'man over machine', and 'drivers cars'...people wonder why I absolutely refuse to let go of the AE86.

There's a reason my toys are old school. Its one of the reasons I'm excited about the FR-S. From the sound and look of it all, it appears to be a car a 'driver' can enjoy pushing its limits, without fighting against a super ECU that wants to control everything.

Edit: Just noticed this thread shifted topics pretty quick in the later pages. We doggin' on the R35? Pro's and Cons to the car, but I'd say everything given, the R35 has held up to the legacy of the "GT-R" pretty well. Its just way modernized, too much so for me to be super into it.

And you guys are arguing the wrong GT-R's. Real men drive KPGC10's w/ Individual Carbs. R32 is still my second favorite. Would rather have a JZA70/80 than one though, but that's my fanboiness coming out.

@fat: I don't think that's a scientifically based list on Ichi's part, its just his personal pref. in Japanese cars. Sorta like how mine is Toyota>Nissan>Mazda>Subaru>Mitsu>Honda.