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subatoy 09-09-2012 10:39 PM

All SUPERCHARGER kits compilation thread
 
I'll post links to all the supercharger kits that have been developed or are currently developed in this thread.
You guys let me know if I need to add anything else.
:happyanim:

HKS:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...t=supercharger

Raptor:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...t=supercharger

Vortech:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12157

Innovate motorsports:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39910

Litchfield:
http://www.litchfieldblog.co.uk/?p=1933

Jackson Racing:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31211

Kraftwerks:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...ght=kraftwerks

Electronic supercharger:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39719

subatoy 09-09-2012 10:40 PM

I need more! help
and yes we need a Forced Induction thread section here.

LivingLegend 09-09-2012 11:01 PM

Quote:

Raptor is unlikely to develop their proposed SC system for the 86/BRZ.

There will be plenty of choice by Christmas this year so far as supercharger systems are concerned

The proposed system wil be deleted from the Raptor website shortly
I guess they decided to ditch the supercharger?

So youre down to two SC kit lol

subatoy 09-09-2012 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LivingLegend (Post 431112)
I guess they decided to ditch the supercharger?

So youre down to two SC kit lol

haha i know!
I'm honestly surprised there are more people building turbo kit rather than SC kits since I think SC would give a better throttle response.
I made this thread by popular demand ;)

dabocx 09-09-2012 11:07 PM

Vortech should have theirs at sema.


Sadly most are not going for a roots style :(

LivingLegend 09-09-2012 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by subatoy (Post 431116)
haha i know!
I'm honestly surprised there are more people building turbo kit rather than SC kits since I think SC would give a better throttle response.
I made this thread by popular demand ;)

Maybe the companies with TC are pushing the engine to experiment with how much boost it can handle. I feel a small, nicely sized turbo can have good throttle response as a SC.

subatoy 09-09-2012 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dabocx (Post 431121)
Vortech should have theirs at sema.


Sadly most are not going for a roots style :(

I agree with you this car would be great for a root style SC cuz it sits so low.

coyote 09-09-2012 11:19 PM

There will be a Whipple blower kit available ... soon.

fuddbutter 09-09-2012 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coyote (Post 431139)
There will be a Whipple blower kit available ... soon.


I want a whipple... only for the name..

subatoy 09-09-2012 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coyote (Post 431139)
There will be a Whipple blower kit available ... soon.

isn't that the same bullet performance is making?
where did you get this information from?

RWD-boxer 09-09-2012 11:43 PM

Bullet email me yesterday there looking at around dec-jan for completion

Tradewind 09-10-2012 06:17 PM

Subbed

I was totally suprised at the poll results of TC or SC or NA

Nearly 50% going for the SC option

DRACHENV6 09-12-2012 11:24 PM

SC for me please! I would love a clean setup using an icebox intake similar to comptech's rather than a cone air filter. I'm done with cleaning air cones. I'll give up the max hp that a turbo kit delivers for smooth HP gain, quieter sound, and easier maintenance (not to mention the fear of hydrolocking with a low mounted turbo).

$6500/60hp that HKS is charging is much higher than what an oem would charge with full warranty imo. Unless it is an amazing design with the sc incorporated into the intake manifold, I think these kits should be priced on par with the TC kits. The tradeoff will be that turbo makes more power and SC's will be smoother, both at the same price point.

poudre 09-13-2012 12:20 PM

Will there be a TRD supercharger?

subatoy 09-13-2012 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by poudre (Post 438093)
Will there be a TRD supercharger?

after their sucky TC SC i doubt it.

mike2100 09-13-2012 12:56 PM

I would pay a premium price for a supercharger kit that maintains precise throttle response and other desirable N/A characterstics... and I'm a cheap bastard

gmookher 09-13-2012 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike2100 (Post 438154)
I would pay a premium price for a supercharger kit that maintains precise throttle response and other desirable N/A characterstics... and I'm a cheap bastard

this why I am holding out till sema to see what vortech brings to the table; generally their stuff has more refinement, a 36,000 warranty etc; if its not the right kit for you, or the right price, theres always a 'shop made next to tranny turbo'...

Turbowned 09-13-2012 06:30 PM

I think we all need to e-mail Kraftwerks and ask them to make a Rotrex-based SC kit for this car. Their Miata and Honda kits look top notch and are reasonably-priced, too! I just shot them an e-mail, myself.

http://kraftwerksusa.com/

http://cms.kraftwerksusa.com/photo/g...f8e27a49ad.jpg

http://www.motorworldhype.com/wp-con...erkss2kkit.jpg

uspspro 09-14-2012 02:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turbowned (Post 438842)
I think we all need to e-mail Kraftwerks and ask them to make a Rotrex-based SC kit for this car. Their Miata and Honda kits look top notch and are reasonably-priced, too! I just shot them an e-mail, myself.

http://kraftwerksusa.com/

http://cms.kraftwerksusa.com/photo/g...f8e27a49ad.jpg

http://www.motorworldhype.com/wp-con...erkss2kkit.jpg

They are making a kit.

I emailed them a while back.

I am hoping to help out testing, when the time comes :burnrubber:

Turbowned 09-29-2012 02:26 PM

Excellent, yes they told me so as well. They weren't allowed to release any other info, understandably. Just a "yes"!

rice_classic 10-04-2012 10:52 PM

Kraftwerks kits come in around $6k. In fact $6 is kind of that sweet spot for a kit and I suspect most of them will be there.

madfast 10-10-2012 02:18 PM

i highly doubt we will ever see a complete kit with a eaton TVS or Twin screw so it looks like centrifugal is the only way to go right now. and if you want a centrifugal, then kraftwerks is the one you want. why? rotrex. there is a ton of anticipation on the vortech kit but lets be honest here, rotrex kills vortech in terms of impeller speed. the HKS kit uses rotrex as well but nobody with half a brain will pay JDM prices once the kraftwerks kit comes out...

Brian@Vortech 10-10-2012 02:58 PM

In the grand scheme of things, is a high impeller speed more important than efficiency or reliability? Spinning a compressor at a higher impeller speed to produce a lower cfm flow at a lower efficiency point of operation does not sound like an advantageous way to approach things from our perspective. Besides, what does the impeller speed maximum matter if the compressor you have will flow more cfm and make more boost than most people could possibly ever want/need for a particular application?

There is no question that there is a smaller, more compact unit that can be spun to a higher rpm out there...but none of things make it operate better or more reliably than a Vortech. The first commercially sold unit we ever produced (Serial #00001) has over 300,000 miles on it, has been used for many magazine torture tests, has been on multiple different engines and combinations including a drag car and a Silver State Challenge car, and is still going strong today. It has never needed any service of any kind for it's entire 22+ years of existence. That kind of reliability is practically unheard of from anyone other than Vortech.

sofrsnsokleen 10-11-2012 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian@Vortech (Post 488335)
In the grand scheme of things, is a high impeller speed more important than efficiency or reliability? Spinning a compressor at a higher impeller speed to produce a lower cfm flow at a lower efficiency point of operation does not sound like an advantageous way to approach things from our perspective. Besides, what does the impeller speed maximum matter if the compressor you have will flow more cfm and make more boost than most people could possibly ever want/need for a particular application?

There is no question that there is a smaller, more compact unit that can be spun to a higher rpm out there...but none of things make it operate better or more reliably than a Vortech. The first commercially sold unit we ever produced (Serial #00001) has over 300,000 miles on it, has been used for many magazine torture tests, has been on multiple different engines and combinations including a drag car and a Silver State Challenge car, and is still going strong today. It has never needed any service of any kind for it's entire 22+ years of existence. That kind of reliability is practically unheard of from anyone other than Vortech.


SOLD!!
Just as soon as I can manage to have enough disposable income for one, lol

ahausheer 10-11-2012 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by poudre (Post 438093)
Will there be a TRD supercharger?


Apparently Toyota is studying a supercharger option/model with units already installed in test cars. With the high demand and sales of the FR-S and every review saying all the car needs is more power Toyota would be a fool to not offer it. Especially considering they are trying to bring passion and joy back to the line up. Im sure the dealers would love selling it as well.

Tradewind 10-11-2012 05:24 AM

Nonsense
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by madfast (Post 488245)
i highly doubt we will ever see a complete kit with a eaton TVS or Twin screw so it looks like centrifugal is the only way to go right now. and if you want a centrifugal, then kraftwerks is the one you want. why? rotrex. there is a ton of anticipation on the vortech kit but lets be honest here, rotrex kills vortech in terms of impeller speed. the HKS kit uses rotrex as well but nobody with half a brain will pay JDM prices once the kraftwerks kit comes out...

You wrote some nonsense on that post bud, its close to 100% rubbish.

There is a twin screw kit being released in like 2-3 weeks time by PMI, refer to the Bullet Supercharger kit in this forum section if you doubt me

Impeller tip speed - the higher the rpm the more likely the unit runs hotter and will have a shorter lifespan. High tip speeds certainly dont give an edge in any other way apart from being able to reduce the size of the compressor and whizz more air through a smaller compress as the inducer speed is higher than a large unit.

Tip speed - more about final pressure in a basic sense, somewhere around 320m/s is around 10psi depending on the unit used, you might as well go a larger diameter impeller and slow the trans down - maybe something like Vortech would do - since this is their thread when all said and done

madfast 10-11-2012 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tradewind (Post 489917)
There is a twin screw kit being released in like 2-3 weeks time by PMI, refer to the Bullet Supercharger kit in this forum section if you doubt me

the bullet SC is nothing more than an off the shelf SC bolted to a custom manifold. now this on the other hand requires a lot more work...

http://www.toyotaparts4u.com/masteri...0C100_trd2.gif
i dont expect to see such a kit come out in the near future...

Quote:

Impeller tip speed - the higher the rpm the more likely the unit runs hotter and will have a shorter lifespan. High tip speeds certainly dont give an edge in any other way apart from being able to reduce the size of the compressor and whizz more air through a smaller compress as the inducer speed is higher than a large unit.
isnt it the other way around? because vortech's cant spin very fast, they are forced to use larger compressors?

Quote:

Tip speed - more about final pressure in a basic sense, somewhere around 320m/s is around 10psi depending on the unit used, you might as well go a larger diameter impeller and slow the trans down - maybe something like Vortech would do -
why slow it down if it can handle the speeds? is the large impeller a design choice? or compensating for the lack of impeller speed? because the rotrex design can most likely accommodate a larger compressor spun slower. but the vortech design is rpm limited. is this not the case?

Quote:

since this is their thread when all said and done
this isnt a vortech thread. its a SC thread. also i have no vested interest in what's "better" or not so whatever i say is just my opinion and not a sales pitch. fwiw RUF uses rotrex. Koenigsegg uses rotrex. HKS chose rotrex. not to mention Lotus and TRD too. just sayin...

PS: im not knocking vortech in any way. im sure their upcoming SC is great. its just that rotrex's newer design perhaps has untapped potential and we should wait and see before we jump aboard any bandwagons...

subatoy 10-11-2012 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ahausheer (Post 489522)
Apparently Toyota is studying a supercharger option/model with units already installed in test cars. With the high demand and sales of the FR-S and every review saying all the car needs is more power Toyota would be a fool to not offer it. Especially considering they are trying to bring passion and joy back to the line up. Im sure the dealers would love selling it as well.


As long as it's not the same unreliable crap they put on the TC.

subatoy 10-23-2012 11:19 PM

I'm expecting this supercharger list to explode after SEMA so I'll need all your help to update it! :party0030:

RONIN8 10-27-2012 01:13 AM

Besides Vortech, will any of the other makers be at SEMA this year so I can check them out? Thanks

clayrush 11-06-2012 08:47 PM

never mind

Echo 12-22-2012 04:15 AM

Are we seeing any SC kits for AT?

botbs 01-10-2013 01:15 AM

Add Litchfield ?

http://www.litchfieldblog.co.uk/?p=1933

subatoy 01-10-2013 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by botbs (Post 655474)

Done. Thx!

ScottDRFT 06-02-2013 03:35 AM

Kraftwerks!

http://store.skunk2.com/kraftwerks-brz.html

mid_life_crisis 06-05-2013 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madfast (Post 490645)
the bullet SC is nothing more than an off the shelf SC bolted to a custom manifold.

So why is using existing technology a bad thing if it does the job and looks decent doing it? If it'll cut development costs and save me some money I say go for it. Pull that sucker off the shelf and bolt it up!

SillySaxon 06-06-2013 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by subatoy (Post 431137)
I agree with you this car would be great for a root style SC cuz it sits so low.

Wouldn't want to peak torque too low in this car though right? It's still a 4-banger and stock is up in the 6600 range, wouldn't it make sense to keep it close to this so you aren't getting some kind of plateau?

mattles 06-06-2013 08:55 PM

little teaser on that Kraftwerks Rotrex Kit:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.n...68822976_n.jpg

PoWn3d_0704 06-07-2013 05:13 PM

Can we update the first post on this thread to the companies that are actually developing a supercharger? Right now there is Vortech, and any information on the other SC's are spread around and really hard to follow. I don't even know if there is another Supercharger out besides Vortech.

|-Goku-| 07-27-2013 02:13 AM

Can you update the thread for the Innovate Motorsports SC?

This is the new one with all the information:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39910


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