Opti Vs...?
 

Can we get a comprehensive thread going on what else is available for the consumer market as a paint sealant/protectant and what people recommend that isn't Opti-Coat? The stuff sounds great, but I'm sure there's others out there.

I've been out of the detail game for a long time now, but I used to use and love Klasse All In One and Klasse Paint Sealant. I used these on my cars and customers cars all the time. I haven't seen these mentioned at all on here, and was wondering if anyone could lend some input.

Also, what else is out there that you guys are fond of? Zaino is still big, I'm sure, too. Any input greatly appreciated :)

Cheers,
Isaac

Opti coat/guard and Cquartz are permanent coatings.

Wolf's Hard Body is a semi-permanent sealant that will last up to 2 years. It is by far the easiest to apply (can be done with a d/a)

Zaino will last 6 months and was what I used for 7 years prior to these coatings and long term sealants came on the market. KAIO with KPS lasts from 4-6 months.

Then of course you have waxes that will last 4-6 weeks and are a waste of time IMO.

I just had my FR-S done with HD Nitro Seal. They advertise 12-18 months protection but my detailer told me to realistically expect 8-12 months. Looks fantastic.

More info: http://www.autopia.org/forum/detaili...-products.html

Pics from my detail: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16655

Had my BRZ coated with Wolfs Hard Body yesterday. Pics here.

Cquartz uk, made for any skill level

Regular cquartz, still pretty simple

Cquartz finest, pro only comes with warranty

Wolfs hardbody or body wrap

Element 119

Permanon

Klasse aio followed by their sealant

Auto finesse tough coat or any of their waxes

Optimum opti seal

Blackfire wet diamond or crystal seal

Collinite 845 or 915

Duragloss 601 followed by 105

Ultima paint guard plus

How does Xzilon rank? I know a few dealerships up in NJ were pushing it

Whats the cost of opticoat/guard relative to the alternatives?

Not sure about the other alternatives, but OC professionally installed is around $300-350. If you do it yourself, it's $60 just for the OC. You will have to wash, clay, polish if necessary, IPA, and OC it.

I'm a Zaino and Blackfire fan. I always get compliments on my old black paint after the Zaino treatment.

I actually have a mostly empty can of Xzilon. From what I gather, it's a similar sealant coating that dealers install per request. I used to sell detail chemicals to Colonial Hyundai Cadillac and they swore by it. Never seen it mentioned before your post, though!

Zaino hasn't updated their product line in awhile, so they aren't as popular as they were in say, 2006. Still good products; but you know how detailing is... flighty. :)

OC is definitely in a class of it's own, or close. Coatings (OC/OG, cQuartz original/finest/UK, gtechniq EXO, Hard Body) are all the rage now.. 2+ years durability, OC/OG says permenant. I've used OC/OG, HB, cQuartz original and Finest... all good products. I find OC/OG the easiest to use, hard to pick a favorite.

For regular sealants/waxes Wolfs Body Wrap, HD Nitro Seal etc are all nice. Waxes, take your pick. :) I still love Collinite 915.

+1 for Wolf's hard body

Waiting to get my hands on Hard Body. I want a sealant for my clients cars that will last minimum 6 months, in OUR weather. That means 9 months a year.

I love the Autoglym products. I clayed my car, sealed the paint with the Super Resin Polish and than went over it with the High Definition Wax. I love the Interior Vinyl & Rubber Spray also. I think AG is definitely worth a look.

Menzerna Power Lock is an excellent quality sealant.


http://www.detailing.com/store/media...power-lock.jpg

Anyone heard of Diamond Kote? My dealer uses that on new cars for 350 dollars. They say it's a Permanent coat

Key words bolded. ;)

I had my BRZ coated in HARD BODY, and the effects have all but worn off 2 months later.

Also, there is no extra scratch protection. I got a scratch from a zipper lightly grazing the paint....

I'm getting it recoated in something different at the beginning of the month.

Overall, I'm pretty disappointed in it. It's shiny though....

Ouch ! ! ! Thats not good.

No love for HD Nitro Seal?

The people that know, know. :D

I didn't add it to my list because I've never tried it :(

Just wondering, where does menzerna polymer rank at vs all others.

My dealership uses quantum. Has anyone had any experiences with it?

They are going to try and show you, hey we can spray paint on a hood and wipe it right off, "nothing sticks to quantum". Yea let them do that, let them wipe it off, then have them spray the same spot again, wait 2 minutes and then have them wipe it off, and get ready to start laughing. Quantums an ok paint sealant but their sells pitch is all smoke and mirrors. Seriously you'd be just as happy applying a good paint sealant or coating yourself. An easy coating for beginners is carpro's cquartz uk edition.

Its a garbage product that doesn't do what they claim. It will last a couple months, but thats it.

+1 :clap:

Which effects have worn off?

The scratch protection is minimal at best and certainly would never stand up to metal abrading the paint.

Everything. The hydrophobic properties in addition to any scratch resistant properties.

Ohh shit.....how have you been maintaining the Hard Body. I mean what kind of soaps and stuff, I think your suppose to use Wolf's Nano Bath for it.

I use Griot's Garage Paint Sealant. Same chemical as OptiCoat (polymethacrylate) but a lower concentration so it's much easier to apply and not mess up. 6 Month lifetime on the car or so. Rub on, let dry, rub off.

I'll add, though, that I love a good carnuba wax...thin coatings to my eye make the reflections look silvery; waxes make reflections look more colorful. Maybe it has to do with coating depth, waxes being thicker and rougher on top?

Yup, that was the first thing I ordered. Came in a cute tiny bottle.

Not only that, but I never touch dried the car. Always air blown, whether it be via a compressor or highway.

Damn....Well there's always Opti Guard lol.

Yup! Which is what's on there now....

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...t=15861&page=2

Griots paint sealant is nothing like opti coat/guard. It's an acrylic based sealant and is actually klasse's paint sealant from Germany. Opticoat/guard is a prepolymer ceramic resin that's a continuous film on the surface with a covalent bond making it permanent.

FYI coatings are much thicker then any wax, it's actually measurable in microns where waxes or sealants are not. But like you I love the look of a quality Nuba, although some of the coatings on certain paints are hard to beat looks wise.

Interesting, where did you get the wolfs nano shampoo from? Detailers domain is the only authorized seller in the US and it comes in a liter jug

https://www.detailersdomain.com/mobi...asp?itemid=543

My wife's bmw is going on 4 months w hard body. Here is a pic, 10 days since last wash and sat out overnight in the rain.

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I got this....

http://www.detailersdomain.com/Wolfs...poo_p_543.html

Ok my dealer uses trident. Its about 650 and sounds almost identical to opti based on the descriptions listed here and the one they described to me. Their trident though comes with a lifetime warranty and is also applied to the interior to avoid stains, scratches, rips, burn holes, etc. And that also comes with a lifetime warranty. So if any of that happens its free to get repaired. Now my question is, is it worth 650$

I regularly always try to clean my car inside and out but on the other hand I do have a dog...small beagle but a dog none the less. Also has anyone ever heard of trident?