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mashal 08-31-2012 10:56 PM

Ferrari like gear lever ?
 
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Alright so I'm not even sure what to call this part , I guess it's the gear slots ? but I have drove ferraris before and I love the way they have their lever pattern (see picture) , frs/Brz is very similar to this ... I don't have the resources to get this done but If anyone does please do so!
I will buy one !
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ahausheer 08-31-2012 10:58 PM

gated shifter

mashal 08-31-2012 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ahausheer (Post 415381)
gated shifter

Thank you! I can finally put a name on it

whateatsrabbits 08-31-2012 11:30 PM

Or shift gate. Ever see a volvo s60r shifter?
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BevL9bJwT0...stick_view.jpg

ahausheer 08-31-2012 11:35 PM

The aftermarket needs one of these bad, gated shifters rock.

BoxRZ_86 08-31-2012 11:59 PM

I have always wanted to make one but never had the patience or skill, someone makes one and I'm buying

Bonburner 09-01-2012 12:10 AM

I'm down for a gated shifter actually! :D

civicdrivr 09-01-2012 12:53 AM

I always felt that while gated shifters are cool looking, theyre a pain in the ass to live with every day.

n2oinferno 09-01-2012 12:56 AM

I think the problem a lot of the time is there isn't a whole lot of room, so the metal ends up being very thin between the gates. If I remember correctly, someone tried to do it on the Genesis Coupe but it just didn't work out so well.

LSxJunkie 09-01-2012 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by whateatsrabbits (Post 415423)
Or shift gate. Ever see a volvo s60r shifter?
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BevL9bJwT0...stick_view.jpg

Ferrari and Lamborghini both call them gated shifters.

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Originally Posted by ahausheer (Post 415435)
The aftermarket needs one of these bad, gated shifters rock.

They really don't. They don't like to be rushed. You're much slower between 2-3 and 4-5. Also, they have to be machined to work with whatever shifter you have. If you get one laid out for the stock shifter, that may not work with an aftermarket short throw. The shift pattern might be tighter or shorter, or even repositioned.

There is a reason this is not a common aftermarket/custom mod to the thousands of sports cars that don't feature one from the factory. You give up much more than you gain. You're better off with a shifter that feels like a rifle bolt than a shifter that looks it.

ahausheer 09-01-2012 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by LSxJunkie (Post 415602)
Ferrari and Lamborghini both call them gated shifters.



They really don't. They don't like to be rushed. You're much slower between 2-3 and 4-5. Also, they have to be machined to work with whatever shifter you have. If you get one laid out for the stock shifter, that may not work with an aftermarket short throw. The shift pattern might be tighter or shorter, or even repositioned.

There is a reason this is not a common aftermarket/custom mod to the thousands of sports cars that don't feature one from the factory. You give up much more than you gain. You're better off with a shifter that feels like a rifle bolt than a shifter that looks it.


You may be right but they can look so damn cool. Maybe because all the exotic cars had them when I was a kid and that left an impression on me. Of course all the exotics back then were actual pieces of crap.

Dazza 09-01-2012 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by civicdrivr (Post 415563)
I always felt that while gated shifters are cool looking, theyre a pain in the ass to live with every day.

Are you sure? What car did you drive everyday that had one?

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Originally Posted by LSxJunkie (Post 415602)
They really don't. They don't like to be rushed. You're much slower between 2-3 and 4-5.

Actually seemed ok to me...quite positive in the way they shift as OEM, I have driven BMW's and Porsches's that aren't as positive....not sure about an "aftermarket" gate though, I suspect you may be right they are compromised, but maybe they just need a little work to get right?

LSxJunkie 09-01-2012 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ahausheer (Post 415810)
You may be right but they can look so damn cool. Maybe because all the exotic cars had them when I was a kid and that left an impression on me. Of course all the exotics back then were actual pieces of crap.

Oh they are very very slick looking. And the exotics, up until this generation (458/F12 Berlinetta and Aventador) have them. I just can't imagine making my car shift worse for aesthetics.

599 GTB
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-50_k6udDsf...2012%2B134.jpg


F430 Spider
http://pictures.dealer.com/b/boardwa...105771bd40.jpg

Gallardo
http://ipocars.com/imgs/a/c/p/f/g/la...2004_8_lgw.jpg

LP640 Roadster
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-PbubPhP3gp...la02653-53.jpg

Dave-ROR 09-01-2012 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by civicdrivr (Post 415563)
I always felt that while gated shifters are cool looking, theyre a pain in the ass to live with every day.

Correct. They look great but they really like slow shifts, you have to be precise with shifting motions, etc..

Since I'm a function>form guy, I would never want one. But they do look cool.

Turbowned 09-01-2012 10:57 AM

I rather like the shifter they use on the Volvo; it's pretty cool-looking IMO.

I would honestly be happy with a proper leather boot and just a metal lockout ring; less plastic and more metal would help to make this car feel more upscale.

I rowed through the gears in a Gallardo Balboni earlier this year (not driving, just sitting) and ermahgerd did it feel so good! Just like Richard Hammond said on Top Gear: "it feels like shaking hands with an old friend." If they don't like to be shifted quickly though, that's a problem.

LSxJunkie 09-01-2012 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 416053)
Correct. They look great but they really like slow shifts, you have to be precise with shifting motions, etc..

Since I'm a function>form guy, I would never want one. But they do look cool.

This. I like a shifter that I can just shove 2-3 with my palm instead of having to zig-zag through some gates. Granted, that's from years of drag racing T56 cars.

Kimsey47 09-01-2012 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Turbowned (Post 416055)
I rather like the shifter they use on the Volvo; it's pretty cool-looking IMO.

I would honestly be happy with a proper leather boot and just a metal lockout ring; less plastic and more metal would help to make this car feel more upscale.

I rowed through the gears in a Gallardo Balboni earlier this year (not driving, just sitting) and ermahgerd did it feel so good! Just like Richard Hammond said on Top Gear: "it feels like shaking hands with an old friend." If they don't like to be shifted quickly though, that's a problem.

My Volvo S60 had that type of shifter... It was neat at first... Then I realized I was driving/owning a Volvo. I HATED that car. Horrible engineering outside of the engine/turbo. I could def. tell Ford had their hands in on making the car I owned.

civicdrivr 09-01-2012 03:05 PM

I still think Spyker has the coolest shifter of any car:

http://tvrphoto.files.wordpress.com/...leron_2256.jpg

CSSM 09-01-2012 03:14 PM

Nothing beats the *ting* sound when shifting

rice_classic 09-01-2012 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CSSM (Post 416348)
Nothing beats the *ting* sound when shifting

That's why I have a metal slinky sitting around my shifter. My shifts sound like they're out of Fast and Furious... Even when I double clutch up shifting, you know, like in the movie! ;)

Turbowned 09-01-2012 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Kimsey47 (Post 416152)
My Volvo S60 had that type of shifter... It was neat at first... Then I realized I was driving/owning a Volvo. I HATED that car. Horrible engineering outside of the engine/turbo. I could def. tell Ford had their hands in on making the car I owned.

Well, yes, I wasn't saying Volvo was cool, just their shifter design ;)

Travis 09-01-2012 07:01 PM

To add one on afermark wouldnt work really, probably just get in the way. I will say the Audi R8's gated shifter is fantastic, really really impressive

Jeff Lange 09-01-2012 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by LSxJunkie (Post 416124)
This. I like a shifter that I can just shove 2-3 with my palm instead of having to zig-zag through some gates. Granted, that's from years of drag racing T56 cars.

Unless you have one of the odd shift patterns like some older exotics (Ferrari comes to mind) Where the shift pattern is

R 2 4
1 3 5

Then 2-3 shifts are fantastic! 1-2, not so much.

Haha.

Jeff

SkitterSkotter 09-01-2012 09:19 PM

Actually I'd have to say that Pagani makes the best shifter on the face of the earth:

http://just.razzi.me/photos/118124/a...jpg?1314262561

Actually I would love to have a gated shifter, please somebody make one.

Dazza 09-01-2012 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by LSxJunkie (Post 416048)
Oh they are very very slick looking. And the exotics, up until this generation (458/F12 Berlinetta and Aventador) have them. I just can't imagine making my car shift worse for aesthetics.

IMO it doesn't make them shift worse and it adds to the experience.

Do you honestly believe Ferrari would have continued with the gated shifter for so long just for aesthetics? The only reason the gated shifter is no longer offered, is because they no longer have a true manual (stick) shift in the range.

civicdrivr 09-01-2012 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dazza (Post 416860)
Do you honestly believe Ferrari would have continued with the gated shifter for so long just for aesthetics?

Yes.

mashal 09-01-2012 09:50 PM

Someone make one

LSxJunkie 09-02-2012 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Kimsey47 (Post 416152)
My Volvo S60 had that type of shifter... It was neat at first... Then I realized I was driving/owning a Volvo. I HATED that car. Horrible engineering outside of the engine/turbo. I could def. tell Ford had their hands in on making the car I owned.

Did you have a regular S60 or an S60R?

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Originally Posted by Jeff Lange (Post 416740)
Unless you have one of the odd shift patterns like some older exotics (Ferrari comes to mind) Where the shift pattern is

R 2 4
1 3 5

Then 2-3 shifts are fantastic! 1-2, not so much.

Haha.

Jeff

Dogleg shift pattern.

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Originally Posted by Dazza (Post 416860)
IMO it doesn't make them shift worse and it adds to the experience.

Do you honestly believe Ferrari would have continued with the gated shifter for so long just for aesthetics? The only reason the gated shifter is no longer offered, is because they no longer have a true manual (stick) shift in the range.

Yes.

You're from Adelaide. Find someone with a VY/VZ Commodore or Monaro that has a GMM Ripshifter in it and see if they'll let you run up through the gears. Then try to match that in your F-Car.


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un8qf0IwiDg"]Lamborghini Gallardo Inside Ride (6 speed gated shifter) - YouTube[/ame]

Note how 2-3 is two movements. Up to neutral, center, then up to 3rd.

On the other hand...
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uEgBr-9RaM&feature=related"]2011 Mustang GT 5.0L Steeda Shifter Test - YouTube[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b46xZAGuza8"]Barton Industries 2011 Mustang 5.0 Short Throw Shifter - YouTube[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6_pNWLn1Cg"]CORVETTE Z06 ONBOARD HD CAMERA LAPS AROUND WILLOW SPRINGS 580 HORSE POWER AT THE WHEELS - YouTube[/ame]

Now without shift gates, 2-3 is just a shove. It's faster and more natural.

ahausheer 09-02-2012 03:27 AM

Exotics are babied luxury symbols and if you miss shift and fuck something up it'll cost tens of thousands. Do any race cars have gated shifters?

Calidrifter 09-02-2012 04:07 AM

No, they have paddle or sequential shifters. A/T for the win!

Dazza 09-02-2012 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by LSxJunkie (Post 417301)
You're from Adelaide. Find someone with a VY/VZ Commodore or Monaro that has a GMM Ripshifter in it and see if they'll let you run up through the gears. Then try to match that in your F-Car.

I'm not sure being in Adelaide helps but If I ever find anyone with a GMM Ripshifter in a Commodore or Monaro, I'll bear that in mind thanks.

My original point was that of the "stock shifters" I have driven, including BMW's and Porsches, I haven't found much difference. Having said that I do now run a slightly modified slick shift gate, so that helps also.

blu_ 09-02-2012 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by rice_classic (Post 416544)
That's why I have a metal slinky sitting around my shifter. My shifts sound like they're out of Fast and Furious... Even when I double clutch up shifting, you know, like in the movie! ;)

Do you also downshift in the quarter mile?

S2kphile 09-02-2012 04:24 PM

Daytona USA Arcade shifter all day baby!

http://na.suzohapp.com/images/50/50849600.jpg

rice_classic 09-02-2012 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by blu_ (Post 417887)
Do you also downshift in the quarter mile?

It all depends on if I want to win by only an inch or by a mile. :thumbup:

LSxJunkie 09-02-2012 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dazza (Post 417633)
I'm not sure being in Adelaide helps but If I ever find anyone with a GMM Ripshifter in a Commodore or Monaro, I'll bear that in mind thanks.

My original point was that of the "stock shifters" I have driven, including BMW's and Porsches, I haven't found much difference. Having said that I do now run a slightly modified slick shift gate, so that helps also.

Well, that moots my argument. That aftermarket gate removes most of the complaints I have about gated shifters. Do they sell those for the last generation of gated shifter cars?

Dazza 09-02-2012 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by LSxJunkie (Post 417930)
Well, that moots my argument. That aftermarket gate removes most of the complaints I have about gated shifters. Do they sell those for the last generation of gated shifter cars?

I don't think so, 355 was the last I could find

Kimsey47 09-02-2012 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by LSxJunkie (Post 417301)
Did you have a regular S60 or an S60R?

Regular UK/Euro S60... The original owner as an option had the T5 put in it. The car would scoot up to speed but it felt as if it weighed 6000lbs.

Kimsey47 09-02-2012 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Turbowned (Post 416561)
Well, yes, I wasn't saying Volvo was cool, just their shifter design ;)

:laughabove::word: I agree that the shifter was interesting!

Ridox 09-03-2012 04:45 AM

I could make these easilly but my friend who bought an 86 decided to buy an Auto.If anybody in perth wants to lend me their car for an afternoon then I will organise a group buy as my first contribution to the Sponsorship Section :o

Sent from my GT-N7000 using Tapatalk 2

geezer86 09-04-2014 02:32 PM

I'm firing up the mill for some proto type fun.
I'm old and in the way and get lost in my 6 speed box.
Like the idea of a visual refrence , and they look so euro.


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