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1660 08-11-2011 04:21 AM

Edmunds target launch
 
Edmunds says target launch: Winter 2012.

http://www.edmunds.com/scion/fr-s/2012/

"The FR-S will not be your friend's boxy Scion. With sleek styling, rear-wheel drive, sharp handling and a low-slung boxer engine, this should be the car that finally injects some performance pedigree into Toyota's youth-oriented brand."

nate89 08-11-2011 04:46 AM

I believe Toyota when they say spring/summer 2012. Just more speculation is all that is...

Giccin 08-11-2011 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by nate89 (Post 54070)
I believe Toyota when they say spring/summer 2012. Just more speculation is all that is...

I remember reading spring summer as well.

tranzformer 08-11-2011 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Giccin (Post 54073)
I remember reading spring summer as well.


+2.

Random_Art 08-11-2011 11:16 AM

My Ouija board sources tell me that it will go on sale December 21, 2012 and ring in the Apocalypse.

Dave-ROR 08-11-2011 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by nate89 (Post 54070)
I believe Toyota when they say spring/summer 2012. Just more speculation is all that is...

Subaru said Spring 2012 right? Why would Scion release later? Doesn't make much sense.

bofa 08-11-2011 11:43 AM

why not ask your source? :thumbup:

Zaku 08-11-2011 11:54 AM

With all the wait they've managed to make us do I wouldn't be surprise if it was pushed back that far. I mean just look at the market situation, although I hope it isn't push back because heck we've all been waiting a very long time.

82mm 4g63 08-11-2011 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 54094)
Subaru said Spring 2012 right? Why would Scion release later? Doesn't make much sense.

Um, what? 2012, just like every year, starts with winter. January, February, March 2012 = winter. I highly doubt the article means the last 9 days(December 22-31) of 2012 for the release date.

Allch Chcar 08-11-2011 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Random_Art (Post 54092)
My Ouija board sources tell me that it will go on sale December 21, 2012 and ring in the Apocalypse.

Burn the witch! witch witch witch!

Sorry, playing L4D lately. :D

It's not like you're taking this wild speculation serious either right?

Nice job, 82mm 4g63, mind blown. I actually assume when someone means winter they mean the 9 days before/during/after Christmas. Jan-March is the season for fishing.

Random_Art 08-11-2011 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Allch Chcar (Post 54101)
Burn the witch! witch witch witch!

Sorry, playing L4D lately. :D

It's not like you're taking this wild speculation serious either right?

Nice job, 82mm 4g63, mind blown. I actually assume when someone means winter they mean the 9 days before/during/after Christmas. Jan-March is the season for fishing.

Nah. I've become rather desensitized to the wild speculation. I'll get excited again when toyota or subaru actually says something official.

Spaceywilly 08-11-2011 01:51 PM

SOA Blog said Spring 2012

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...2&postcount=76

Quote:

the Coupe comes Spring next year.

Mr.Jay 08-11-2011 03:07 PM

I remember reading that for the subie but I recall the scion was goin to be early 2012

Will look. For source when I get home

RRnold 08-11-2011 03:29 PM

"Speculations are Edmunds.com's expectations"

:clap:

colHolm 08-11-2011 03:37 PM

I posted start of production in another thread. It's March. Will hit NA end of April, so figure for May 1st launch. (give or take a week)

Dave-ROR 08-11-2011 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 82mm 4g63 (Post 54099)
Um, what? 2012, just like every year, starts with winter. January, February, March 2012 = winter. I highly doubt the article means the last 9 days(December 22-31) of 2012 for the release date.

Depends on how you look at it. I always take quarterly release annoucements to mean the first month of that period, and Winter is Dec, Jan and Feb (March has never been winter). So I read it as Dec 2012, you read it as Jan/Feb 2012, both are technically winter in the year 2012, just two different winters.

I would assume that if the mag/edmunds meant a jan 2012 release they would have printer "Early 2012 release" like most people..

NikostC 08-11-2011 04:35 PM

I think its plausible. I think a simultaneous worldwide release of the FT86 is hard for Toyota right now, so seeing it arrive in the USA a little later than Japan makes sense. We def will not get it before Japan thats for sure.

Type[R]+ 08-12-2011 12:04 AM

We have been told June/July 2012 here in Australia

iff2mastamatt 08-12-2011 11:07 AM

If if the Toyota version comes in the summer next year, I wouldn't be surprised if it came late 2012. It would only make sense if it came later if the exteriors will be different.

Want.FR-S 08-12-2011 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by colHolm (Post 54125)
I posted start of production in another thread. It's March. Will hit NA end of April, so figure for May 1st launch. (give or take a week)

Any chance to get the vin number ending with 0086?:bow:

colHolm 08-12-2011 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Want.FR-S (Post 54217)
Any chance to get the vin number ending with 0086?:bow:

My goal is to try to pick my VIN with the colour, etc. How awesome would that be? VIN ends in 86, "FT 86" license plate, etc.

I'm hoping Tada-san makes his rounds to all the distributors so I get a chance to chat with him. Maybe get a signature somewhere on the car.

tranzformer 08-12-2011 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Want.FR-S (Post 54217)
Any chance to get the vin number ending with 0086?:bow:

Quote:

Originally Posted by colHolm (Post 54228)
My goal is to try to pick my VIN with the colour, etc. How awesome would that be? VIN ends in 86, "FT 86" license plate, etc


I would say the chances of the common person being able to get a VIN that ends in 86 on purpose/special request is almost nill. A) there will be a too many people requesting that # B) Toyota just doesn't have the man power to meet everyones demand C) What motivation does Toyota have to create this headache for themselves? There will be more than enough people interested in the car for them to sell (if they hit the rumors floating around). So someone will still by the VINs that end in 85 and 87 along with all the other numbers.

colHolm 08-12-2011 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by tranzformer (Post 54248)
I would say the chances of the common person being able to get a VIN that ends in 86 on purpose/special request is almost nill. A) there will be a too many people requesting that # B) Toyota just doesn't have the man power to meet everyones demand C) What motivation does Toyota have to create this headache for themselves? There will be more than enough people interested in the car for them to sell (if they hit the rumors floating around). So someone will still by the VINs that end in 85 and 87 along with all the other numbers.

What makes you think I am common? I am in a unique position working for a Toyota distributor.

It's not about creating headaches for anyone, it's a matter of me looking up a VIN allocated for Canada that ends in 86, seeing what colour it is, and determining if I want it or not.

tranzformer 08-12-2011 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by colHolm (Post 54252)
What makes you think I am common? I am in a unique position working for a Toyota distributor.

It's not about creating headaches for anyone, it's a matter of me looking up a VIN allocated for Canada that ends in 86, seeing what colour it is, and determining if I want it or not.

Exactly you aren't common if you work for Toyota.

So for every 100 cars you are going to be willing to accept 1 car to get the 86 number VIN. That comes out to 1% of the cars meeting your requirement. Throw in 5-6 colors, manual vs. auto, and different packages and options and your list of potential cars starts shrinking. If you work for Scion/Subaru, you would get an inside scoop on inventory before it hits land. The common person won't get that advantage. Depending how picky one is on color, transmission and options, less than 0.5% per 100 cars would fit what they would want. It isn't like you can just call up Toyota and say "I want a white, auto, dark interior, options A, C and D with VIN ending in 86." Now if you don't care about color, transmission or options, you chance of getting a car with VIN ending in 86 goes up to 1%. Now lets say that for every 100 cars, you have 1-2 guys that want the 86 number car. Things start getting more competitive and your chances start decreasing.

colHolm 08-12-2011 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by tranzformer (Post 54255)
Exactly you aren't common if you work for Toyota.

So for every 100 cars you are going to be willing to accept 1 car to get the 86 number VIN. That comes out to 1% of the cars meeting your requirement. Throw in 5-6 colors, manual vs. auto, and different packages and options and your list of potential cars starts shrinking. If you work for Scion/Subaru, you would get an inside scoop on inventory before it hits land. The common person won't get that advantage. Depending how picky one is on color, transmission and options, less than 0.5% per 100 cars would fit what they would want. It isn't like you can just call up Toyota and say "I want a white, auto, dark interior, options A, C and D with VIN ending in 86." Now if you don't care about color, transmission or options, you chance of getting a car with VIN ending in 86 goes up to 1%. Now lets say that for every 100 cars, you have 1-2 guys that want the 86 number car. Things start getting more competitive and your chances start decreasing.

You're absolutely right. I'm not saying the chances are good, I'm just saying if it is possible I will do what I can to make it happen for myself.

It's marginal, but Scion doesn't have "real" option packages, or multiple interior colours so all I have to really worry about is colour and transmission.

nate89 08-13-2011 07:51 PM

I'm sure everyone will get the 86 in their vin number. It'll probably be something like...

JT__86____...

J=Japan (nation of origin)
T = toyota
86 = chassis code

Want.FR-S 08-13-2011 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nate89 (Post 54446)
I'm sure everyone will get the 86 in their vin number. It'll probably be something like...

JT__86____...

J=Japan (nation of origin)
T = toyota
86 = chassis code

Already decided.

Quote:

I would guess the possible VIN's for this car (6 spd manual):

JT1FT86CxCLxxxx86: Toyota (JT1) FT86C (coupe), build 2012 (C), and 6 spd manual (L).

or

JF1216ACxCLxxxx86: Subaru (JF1) 216AC (coupe), build 2012 (C), and 6 spd manual (L).

What do you think?
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...9&postcount=45

82mm 4g63 08-13-2011 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 54129)
Depends on how you look at it. I always take quarterly release annoucements to mean the first month of that period, and Winter is Dec, Jan and Feb (March has never been winter). So I read it as Dec 2012, you read it as Jan/Feb 2012, both are technically winter in the year 2012, just two different winters.

I would assume that if the mag/edmunds meant a jan 2012 release they would have printer "Early 2012 release" like most people..

Yeah, I take news from Edmunds with a grain of salt, tbh. When I saw a winter 2012 release I remembered the official word being a 2012 model year car (or am I wrong?), I assumed early 2012. If it was released at the end of December 2012 that would make it a 2013, woulnd't it? They should use quarters not seasons. Q1 or Q4, make up your damn minds Edmunds.

Just curious about the 0086 in the VIN number discussion. Who cares what the VIN number is? :iono:

tranzformer 08-13-2011 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nate89 (Post 54446)
I'm sure everyone will get the 86 in their vin number. It'll probably be something like...

JT__86____...

J=Japan (nation of origin)
T = toyota
86 = chassis code


The discussion above was about getting a vin like JT1FT86CxCL2386 or JT1FT86CxCL0586...etc.



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Originally Posted by 82mm 4g63 (Post 54452)

Just curious about the 0086 in the VIN number discussion. Who cares what the VIN number is? :iono:

Some do care. Colholm would like it to end in 86. Some will care others sill not.

Spiritama 08-13-2011 10:02 PM

I always make sure I get the EXACT VIN i want because when people come up and ask about my car always the first words out of their mouth are "hey nice car do you have a cool VIN?" and im always like "well yeah duh" Specialized VINs sounds like alot of effort for something not really important....but if it floats your boat then hey give it all youd like i know i wont care what my VIN is.

82mm 4g63 08-13-2011 10:05 PM

I'm only going to by the car with this VIN...
JT1FT86CxCL133786

That way I'm sure to have the leet'est 86 in the country.

Mr.Jay 08-13-2011 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spiritama (Post 54471)
I always make sure I get the EXACT VIN i want because when people come up and ask about my car always the first words out of their mouth are "hey nice car do you have a cool VIN?" and im always like "well yeah duh" Specialized VINs sounds like alot of effort for something not really important....but if it floats your boat then hey give it all youd like i know i wont care what my VIN is.

people really say that?!?

would be cool but thats a little too fanboi like for me

Type[R]+ 08-14-2011 06:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 54129)
Depends on how you look at it. I always take quarterly release annoucements to mean the first month of that period, and Winter is Dec, Jan and Feb (March has never been winter). So I read it as Dec 2012, you read it as Jan/Feb 2012, both are technically winter in the year 2012, just two different winters.

I would assume that if the mag/edmunds meant a jan 2012 release they would have printer "Early 2012 release" like most people..

Toyota saying production version ready for tokyo motor show, and that's at the start of Dec.

GenkiElite 08-14-2011 02:33 PM

A winter launch for a RWD sport coupe is a terrible idea. Edmunds is full of shit.

switchlanez 08-14-2011 05:13 PM

Edmunds is basing their projected Winter (early) 2012 release on the fact that the production version will be unveiled at TAS this December. It's stupid marketing to generate interest in Dec 2011 then make consumers wait a year during which they can change their mind about getting the car. Once a fish is hooked on lure, you don't wait a year to reel it in.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spiritama (Post 54471)
I always make sure I get the EXACT VIN i want because when people come up and ask about my car always the first words out of their mouth are "hey nice car do you have a cool VIN?" and im always like "well yeah duh" Specialized VINs sounds like alot of effort for something not really important....but if it floats your boat then hey give it all youd like i know i wont care what my VIN is.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Jay (Post 54480)
people really say that?!?

would be cool but thats a little too fanboi like for me

I think he was being sarcastic.

82mm 4g63 08-14-2011 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GenkiElite (Post 54534)
A winter launch for a RWD sport coupe is a terrible idea. Edmunds is full of shit.

You must live up north. :)

lancie 08-17-2011 10:55 AM

Italian magazine say spring 2012

SUB-FT86 08-17-2011 11:19 AM

Living in the south for the win!!!! I could never live anywhere where I cant drive a RWD sport coupe safely all year long

Random_Art 08-17-2011 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86 (Post 54986)
Living in the south for the win!!!! I could never live anywhere where I cant drive a RWD sport coupe safely all year long

Having moved to atlanta from Detroit... If I ever see snow that sticks around for more than a couple of days again, it's too soon.

PACMAN 08-17-2011 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 82mm 4g63 (Post 54563)
You must live up north. :)


damn you Floridian :flame:


just kidding:happy0180: You truly are lucky you get such a warm winter!


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