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Axel 11-07-2009 10:43 PM

Will you drift this car often?
 
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Blokatos 11-08-2009 04:28 AM

Heavier front means that steering feel would be better and handling can be more adjustable for the average driver.

Drift in a track and you would be addicted. First time I did I almost ran out of fuel before I pit:happyanim:

:burnrubber:

TRDMAN 11-08-2009 04:41 AM

Ive never actually drifted a car for real I would buy this car for its awesome handling ability I would not be drifting it.

OldSkoolToys 11-08-2009 04:58 AM

I'll be glad if they keep this car as a true spirital successor to the AE86 once its released.


And yes, I will be sliding this car on occassion. The fact that they're purposefully making the car front-heavy because of drifting really doesn't effect my decision at all.

I selected A, even though the 'drifting' part really doesn't effect my decision, its the wording of the question that does: "drifting ability", which would indicate that this car is going to be RWD. Because of that, A was chosen.

White Comet 11-08-2009 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Axel (Post 3848)
I'd bet the percentage of owners who will occasionally race this car on a track you could count on half of one hand. that in order to get all the rest of the goodness these cars will offer?

I agree with this scenario.

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Originally Posted by Axel (Post 3848)
So the "fun" in driving this car (for most) will be done on public roads (somewhat) within the relative confines of the law. In that scenario, I'm wondering if a car (that otherwise sounds great on paper) is best suited to have most of its weight over the non-driving axle, as Toyota is purposefully doing in order to make this a better drifter and "slide the tail".that in order to get all the rest of the goodness these cars will offer?

A good question. And one that Toyota USA may likely pay for since you know that their will be plenty of people that buy this car, try to drift it around a corner, and wrap it around a tree. Then they'll try to sue (and probably win).

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Originally Posted by Axel (Post 3848)
I haven't done that previously, and it sounds fun... but it also sounds like it would be expensive on tires, and somewhat scarry on two lane roads with other vehicles and trees.that in order to get all the rest of the goodness these cars will offer?

It can be fun, if you know what you're doing. It can be very, very scary if you don't, or it's unexpected. I had a horrific spin with my old Z in the wee hours of the cold, April morning before dawn back outside of Ottawa. It wasn't intentional, and honestly, if it weren't for the TCS I may have completely demolished the car and myself, but I came out unscathed. And humbled.

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Originally Posted by Axel (Post 3848)
Are most of you glad that the weight will be heavier on the front (making for a better drifting car), or will kinda put up with that in order to get all the rest of the goodness these cars will offer?

Having said all the above, I want this car to be neutral handling, if not tail happy. I want a car, a lightweight one at that, to better learn the handling dynamics of RWD. One that I can do with a proper driver's course. ;)

VenomRush 11-08-2009 05:52 AM

not for drifting, but there are killer canyons in malibu that i wouldn't mind taking this car through, its a blast with my mr2.

OldSkoolToys 11-08-2009 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by White Comet (Post 3866)
Having said all the above, I want this car to be neutral handling, if not tail happy. I want a car, a lightweight one at that, to better learn the handling dynamics of RWD. One that I can do with a proper driver's course. ;)

I'm actually interested in how well of a "learners" car this will be, in comparison to the AE86.

Probably not very much so, it would have to include:
1) Underpoweredness, almost to a fault
2) Unforgiving solid rear-axle
3) Spaghetti noodle of a chassis.

I already know #2 isn't there....pretty sure 1 and 3 won't be either.

S2KtoFT86 11-08-2009 11:11 AM

I won't be drifting at all! Mine will probably end up being built for a straight line. There's alot of time left to change my mind and 100% decide on something so it's all up in the air right now.

JDMinc 11-08-2009 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by VenomRush (Post 3868)
not for drifting, but there are killer canyons in malibu that i wouldn't mind taking this car through, its a blast with my mr2.

Same. Just want a lightweight carver of a sports car. Where I live there's no mountain roads or long stretches of road where I can use 400hp anyway. Just want something nimble with decent power-to-weight where I can break the end loose once in a while on a turn and can serve duty as a auto-x'er. :burnrubber:

I don't even think there's a single place I can drift on long island. Where do people usually go to drift -- on a drift track? in canyon roads?

Ground N Pound 11-08-2009 12:29 PM

Great topic. I voted option 2. Looks like most people voted 2 or 3 (that drift ability doesn't really matter). I think I'm probably speaking for most members that the concept and image of a car being able to drift is cool, in reality we don't tend to do that or want to do that with our cars. But it's nice knowing that the car handles so well and is fully capable of it if we're interested.

Me personally, I'm looking for some nice straightline performance with some generally good handling. It's going to be a light car so it shouldn't be hard to get it going fast in a the straights. So hopefully TRD gives us a forced induction option or if not I'll look to the aftermarket.

S2KtoFT86 11-08-2009 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Ground N Pound (Post 3888)
Great topic. I voted option 2. Looks like most people voted 2 or 3 (that drift ability doesn't really matter). I think I'm probably speaking for most members that the concept and image of a car being able to drift is cool, in reality we don't tend to do that or want to do that with our cars. But it's nice knowing that the car handles so well and is fully capable of it if we're interested.

Me personally, I'm looking for some nice straightline performance with some generally good handling. It's going to be a light car so it shouldn't be hard to get it going fast in a the straights. So hopefully TRD gives us a forced induction option or if not I'll look to the aftermarket.

+1 :thumbsup:

OldSkoolToys 11-08-2009 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by S2KtoFT86 (Post 3877)
I won't be drifting at all! Mine will probably end up being built for a straight line. There's alot of time left to change my mind and 100% decide on something so it's all up in the air right now.

Straight-line tuning on this car is a waste of car. If -thats- what you want to do with the 86 then you might as well get that Genesis you were looking at.

S2KtoFT86 11-08-2009 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys (Post 3903)
Straight-line tuning on this car is a waste of car. If -thats- what you want to do with the 86 then you might as well get that Genesis you were looking at.

Some might say that about my S2000 too but it's going to be turbo'ed as well. Just because I'm not going to be slinging it around a track or drifting it doesn't make it a waste of a car. I guess you'd say Inline Pro's 933whp drag s2000 is a waste of a car too. :iono:

4agze 11-08-2009 04:00 PM

I'll drift it every now and then, I need to know the limits of this car just like my AE86 this will be street class time attack. but just like my AE86 i want that rearend a little bit sliding when going thru turns.

zbirdman777 11-08-2009 04:10 PM

I'd like to drift it but there's no where to drift in west texas. The only way is if I pull some schenanigans in a parking lot and get out quick.

White Comet 11-08-2009 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by S2KtoFT86 (Post 3904)
Some might say that about my S2000 too but it's going to be turbo'ed as well. Just because I'm not going to be slinging it around a track or drifting it doesn't make it a waste of a car. I guess you'd say Inline Pro's 933whp drag s2000 is a waste of a car too. :iono:

Old Skoo is right, though. If you want a straight line car, why are you starting with a car that has a decided disadvantage like the S2000 (NO grunt down low) and possibly the FT (same, perhaps).

I can appreciate you enjoying the car for other reasons but if that's the primary goal then using either aforementioned car as a means to that end is like dating dating Jessica Alba (pre-baby) and being satisfied with kissing: that's not what that platform was put on earth to do!

As for your Pro example: sure, that's mighty impressive, no doubt. But that takes a shop to deal with budget, fabrication, etc. A privateer that is not independently wealthy isn't even worthy of mention to attempt to overcome a given platform's inherent flaws.

S2KtoFT86 11-08-2009 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by White Comet (Post 3915)
Old Skoo is right, though. If you want a straight line car, why are you starting with a car that has a decided disadvantage like the S2000 (NO grunt down low) and possibly the FT (same, perhaps).

I can appreciate you enjoying the car for other reasons but if that's the primary goal then using either aforementioned car as a means to that end is like dating dating Jessica Alba (pre-baby) and being satisfied with kissing: that's not what that platform was put on earth to do!

As for your Pro example: sure, that's mighty impressive, no doubt. But that takes a shop to deal with budget, fabrication, etc. A privateer that is not independently wealthy isn't even worthy of mention to attempt to overcome a given platform's inherent flaws.

Ok, but people are consistently hitting 700+ whp independently from shops. I guess I'm just missing the boat since I don't track/drift my S2000 and I don't plan to track/drift the FT. :iono:

White Comet 11-08-2009 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by S2KtoFT86 (Post 3916)
Ok, but people are consistently hitting 700+ whp independently from shops. I guess I'm just missing the boat since I don't track/drift my S2000 and I don't plan to track/drift the FT. :iono:

I'm not even sure if I'm tracking for drifting my future FT, either. And whatever you want to do is entirely your decision, so don't think that's what I'm getting after.

I'm just commenting on the folly of building a "drag" S2000. The car is tuned from the factory to be a true handling beauty. To not experience that to me just does not make sense. But whatever, it's your money.

S2KtoFT86 11-08-2009 06:01 PM

I commented either in this thread or another that I'm still not 100% on what I want to do with this thing. Right now I want to boost it but I may tune it as an N/A and turn it into a track car. I'm not quite sure and there's more than enough time to decide.

dm 11-08-2009 06:08 PM

Drift it like u stoll it.-
Light weight, RWD with lsd, it is drift party car for the place i live.

4agze 11-08-2009 06:12 PM

So you rather drag race a S2000 lol i think your missing the point on what the S2000 is all about, its strong point is cornering speed not 0-60. I dont care what you do with your car its just sad to see a good perfectly balance, well engineered car just go 0-100mph

S2KtoFT86 11-08-2009 07:14 PM

No, I'm not missing the point of what the s2000 is all about. I'm not going track it, just plain and simple. The extent of using it's handling ability is going to the Dragon, which I enjoy doing. I'd rather spend 20k on a rwd coupe and boost it, than spending 40k on an Evo X or a 370. A Camaro is just out of the question quite frankly because I just dislike how it looks.

And apparently you do care if you say "lol" and say that I'm missing the point of what the car was made for.

4agze 11-08-2009 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by S2KtoFT86 (Post 3924)
No, I'm not missing the point of what the s2000 is all about. I'm not going track it, just plain and simple. The extent of using it's handling ability is going to the Dragon, which I enjoy doing. I'd rather spend 20k on a rwd coupe and boost it, than spending 40k on an Evo X or a 370. A Camaro is just out of the question quite frankly because I just dislike how it looks.

And apparently you do care if you say "lol" and say that I'm missing the point of what the car was made for.


before you hit the dragons tail, may i suggest try going to practice in a real track first learn to control the car in case it goes out of control you'll know what to do we dont want your car wrap around the tree. if i say "lol" thats not wrong, you know whats wrong cellphone company charging you on hidden fees...

S2KtoFT86 11-08-2009 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 4agze (Post 3926)
before you hit the dragons tail, may i suggest try going to practice in a real track first learn to control the car in case it goes out of control you'll know what to do we dont want your car wrap around the tree. if i say "lol" thats not wrong, you know whats wrong cellphone company charging you on hidden fees...

I've taken my S to the Dragon 3 times now. I loled at the Boost Mobile reference.

S2KtoFT86 11-08-2009 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Axel (Post 3927)
We need S2KtoFT86 to buy an FT-86! He needs to be the FTClub's regional rep hosting meets at the Dragon! Future great times to be had by all!

I appreciate the sarcasm. :thumbsup:

4agze 11-08-2009 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by S2KtoFT86 (Post 3928)
I've taken my S to the Dragon 3 times now. I loled at the Boost Mobile reference.

Sorry didn't post that last msg, its my friend i left my laptop open he was reading the topic, his actually a S2000 driver & a TCRA instructor.. hey at least you had a chance to drive in the most popular american touge area.

S2KtoFT86 11-08-2009 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 4agze (Post 3931)
Sorry didn't post that last msg, its my friend i left my laptop open he was reading the topic, his actually a S2000 driver & a TCRA instructor.. hey at least you had a chance to drive in the most popular american touge area.

Well, I won't lie and say that I know how to drive my car and correct myself should there be a problem. I take it easy when I go to the Dragon and I don't really push it. You're right and I should learn how to properly drive my car. :thumbsup: Me and a buddy are going up in April for Wake the Dragon with his boosted S. Should be a fun time.

S2KtoFT86 11-08-2009 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Axel (Post 3933)
No sarcasm intended!

btw, I ran my NC MX-5 at the dragon last year fairly aggressively and a sport bike trying to keep up behind me went off the road and tumbled down a hill! His buddies quickly stopped and came to his rescue. I think he wasn't too bad off... mostly worried about his bike (it didn't do so well).

Ouch man that sucks horribly. I've heard too many horror stories but luckily never have seen any. Well, in reference to your earlier post, I wouldn't mind setting up Dragon meets and "renting" out the village up there to 86 owners. I know the guy that handles all that for the two S2000 meets a year up there so I figure I can handle it. :thumbsup:

I can't seem to find the video of an S owner going over the side of the mountain but it was at a meet I think a year or two before I started going. Pretty scary stuff.

White Comet 11-08-2009 09:20 PM

S2k, if you have had the fortune of taking the S2k to the Tail, then I tip my hat. I guess you have used her for the intended purpose (aka, like Alba is for bangin'). I have plenty of mountain roads for 100s of km around me, but I would love to one day try the Dragon. Must be a blast in the S2k

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Originally Posted by 4agze (Post 3931)
Sorry didn't post that last msg, its my friend i left my laptop open he was reading the topic, his actually a S2000 driver & a TCRA instructor.. hey at least you had a chance to drive in the most popular american touge area.

This excuse is as old as the internet.

4agze 11-08-2009 09:25 PM

:barf:
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Originally Posted by White Comet (Post 3937)
This excuse is as old as the internet.

sure kid your the most experience driver here in the forum with your stock WRX :barf: white comet are you for real come on can you be more fan boy than that

S2KtoFT86 11-08-2009 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by White Comet (Post 3937)
S2k, if you have had the fortune of taking the S2k to the Tail, then I tip my hat. I guess you have used her for the intended purpose (aka, like Alba is for bangin'). I have plenty of mountain roads for 100s of km around me, but I would love to one day try the Dragon. Must be a blast in the S2k

It is a blast if you don't drive like that moron in the above video. He deserved that damage to his ride and what's worse, it's a CR. I don't try to act a fool up there, just enjoy the mountain scenery and the curves. Once the FT comes out, you'll have to make the trip down here. It'd be awesome to one day see a couple hundred 86's driving the Dragon. I'm already formulating what to call certain meets.

White Comet 11-08-2009 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 4agze (Post 3938)
:barf:

sure kid your the most experience driver here in the forum with your stock WRX :barf: white comet are you for real come on can you be more fan boy than that

Did your "friend" type this, too?

4agze 11-08-2009 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by White Comet (Post 3941)
Did your "friend" type this, too?

no thats me fan boy... if im the one who type that comment ill say "are you that stupid you have a very nice balance car and you'll just use that in a straight line "

White Comet 11-08-2009 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by S2KtoFT86 (Post 3940)
It is a blast if you don't drive like that moron in the above video. He deserved that damage to his ride and what's worse, it's a CR. I don't try to act a fool up there, just enjoy the mountain scenery and the curves. Once the FT comes out, you'll have to make the trip down here. It'd be awesome to one day see a couple hundred 86's driving the Dragon. I'm already formulating what to call certain meets.

It was a CR, too? :confused0068:
Oh, wow... that guy must be kicking himself.
Repeatedly.
Hard.
Like, really hard.

Anyhow, I'm with you on driving responsibly. I want to find some time this summer to take an advanced driver's course on a local track day so I can better enjoy my car. And then the FT, of course. :)

White Comet 11-08-2009 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 4agze (Post 3942)
no thats me fan boy... if im the one who type that comment ill say "are you that stupid you have a very nice balance car and you'll just use that in a straight line "

Sounds pretty similar to what your "friend" typed earlier...

4agze 11-08-2009 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by White Comet (Post 3944)
Sounds pretty similar to what your "friend" typed earlier...

read it again fan boy i dont think its same

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before you hit the dragons tail, may i suggest try going to practice in a real track first learn to control the car in case it goes out of control you'll know what to do we dont want your car wrap around the tree. if i say "lol" thats not wrong, you know whats wrong cellphone company charging you on hidden fees...

White Comet 11-08-2009 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 4agze (Post 3945)
read it again fan boy i dont think its same

Utter lack of punctuation and grammar in both posts is quite similar. No, it's the same. Thanks for playing.

/Thread derail now.

4agze 11-08-2009 10:14 PM

I just stop arguing with fan boy is no point, ok fine i typed that just to make him stop its going off topic

White Comet 11-08-2009 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Axel (Post 3947)
keep it civil guys. being that you're both on the west coast, what are your favorite roads?

Nothing uncivil about my posts to him. But I respect your wish to keep things on track (hence the comment at the end of my last post).

I doubt anyone here knows the roads I like unless they live in BC, but I really enjoy an unused portion of the "Sea to Sky Highway" (Highway 99) that runs between Pemberton and Lillooet, through Mt. Currie. It's a gorgeous winding road (though the actual quality of the asphalt is not so great), up and down Mt. Currie and then winds through a valley with tiny one lane metal bridges to go over the deep creeks, before coming out the other end and seeing even more gorgeous scenery. Oh, and the temperature changes by about 10 degrees C from bottom to top.

TRDMAN 11-08-2009 11:12 PM

YOu should come down to WA and hit Chuckanut drive


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