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SOLID2223 10-03-2024 12:33 AM

FLAT FOOT SHIFTING=ROLLING ANTILAG
 
Hello looking for some tuning experts opinions with my idea. I recently had a theory to use the FFS(flat foot shifting) feature integrated into the ecutek software as rolling anti lag. To my understanding for FFS to engage throttle must be at 100% and clutch has to be depressed. I was thinking about using a secondary switch for my clutch switch”tricking” the ECU into activating the FFS feature WITHOUT the clutch depressed. Hence creating”rolling anti lag). Yes I’m aware this isn’t true anti lag however it could be useful in building boost for stock motors while rolling. My main concern is the engine load would differ greatly because during FFS there is no load due to the clutch being depressed. So if the FFS feature were to be used as anti lag without a depressed clutch would the feature still function as designed?


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blsfrs 10-03-2024 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SOLID2223 (Post 3609185)
Hello looking for some tuning experts opinions with my idea. I recently had a theory to use the FFS(flat foot shifting) feature integrated into the ecutek software as rolling anti lag. To my understanding for FFS to engage throttle must be at 100% and clutch has to be depressed. I was thinking about using a secondary switch for my clutch switch”tricking” the ECU into activating the FFS feature WITHOUT the clutch depressed. Hence creating”rolling anti lag). Yes I’m aware this isn’t true anti lag however it could be useful in building boost for stock motors while rolling. My main concern is the engine load would differ greatly because during FFS there is no load due to the clutch being depressed. So if the FFS feature were to be used as anti lag without a depressed clutch would the feature still function as designed?


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A couple of years ago, my tuner left FFS engaged. What is did was cause my engine to bog down as I was revving up and preparing to shift because I unconsciously put a light pressure on the clutch pedal.

A datalog showed that FFS dropped the ignition timing to 0* when the engine was over 4500 rpm and my foot touched the clutch.

So, in my nonexpert opinion, I don't think FFS will do what you are seeking.

SOLID2223 10-03-2024 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by blsfrs (Post 3609203)
A couple of years ago, my tuner left FFS engaged. What is did was cause my engine to bog down as I was revving up and preparing to shift because I unconsciously put a light pressure on the clutch pedal.

A datalog showed that FFS dropped the ignition timing to 0* when the engine was over 4500 rpm and my foot touched the clutch.

So, in my nonexpert opinion, I don't think FFS will do what you are seeking.


Did the datalog show the rpm holding or increasing during the time FFS was active


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blsfrs 10-04-2024 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by SOLID2223 (Post 3609204)
Did the datalog show the rpm holding or increasing during the time FFS was active


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My butt dyno and the datalog showed rpms holding. It was like a governor or rev limiter kicking in.

SOLID2223 10-04-2024 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by blsfrs (Post 3609220)
My butt dyno and the datalog showed rpms holding. It was like a governor or rev limiter kicking in.


So my theory was correct it will hold the rpm if the car is still in gear without the clutch depressed.


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blsfrs 10-09-2024 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SOLID2223 (Post 3609223)
So my theory was correct it will hold the rpm if the car is still in gear without the clutch depressed.


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I was pondering your idea. You may not have to install an extra switch. The clutch switch will "activate" with enough pressure to move the pedal a pube hair's distance. You could experiment by turning the cruise control off by touching the clutch pedal.

SOLID2223 10-09-2024 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by blsfrs (Post 3609326)
I was pondering your idea. You may not have to install an extra switch. The clutch switch will "activate" with enough pressure to move the pedal a pube hair's distance. You could experiment by turning the cruise control off by touching the clutch pedal.


I understand your idea however your clutch assembly already has preload and barely pressing the clutch could cause abnormal damage to the clutch pressure plate and throw out bearing. That’s why people say don’t ride the clutch. Along with slippage from the friction disc.


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blsfrs 10-10-2024 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by SOLID2223 (Post 3609342)
I understand your idea however your clutch assembly already has preload and barely pressing the clutch could cause abnormal damage to the clutch pressure plate and throw out bearing. That’s why people say don’t ride the clutch. Along with slippage from the friction disc.


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You might be surprised how little pressure it takes on the clutch pedal to active the clutch switch. It's not enough to cause any problems with the clutch.

SOLID2223 10-10-2024 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by blsfrs (Post 3609354)
You might be surprised how little pressure it takes on the clutch pedal to active the clutch switch. It's not enough to cause any problems with the clutch.


I will try it out and see how sensitive the switch is and I will go from there


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