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autoracer86 08-17-2023 01:56 PM

brass vs steel
 
I placed an order for a M18x1.5 to 1/8NPT adapter to be used for installing a oil pressure sensor in the factory oil galley near the TB.

When looking for TQed specs which I still have not found yet :mad0259: I found a post saying to never use brass in a high vibration area as it will come loose and to always use steel.

"Never use brass or aluminum in a high vibration area. (AKA screwed into a block) Steel is always good."

A quick google search for a steel adapter brought me to killer B. Who also can't tell me the tq specs when asked over email...

Does it make sense to order another adapter ? has anyone had experience with either of these adapters or know the tq specs lol

Brass adapter I ordered
https://www.iagperformance.com/prosp...-ej25-engines/

Steel one
https://www.killerbmotorsport.net/m1...pter.html.html

Thank you

Ultramaroon 08-17-2023 02:09 PM

Doesn't matter in that application. The vibration mostly comes into play when the part can flex like a tuning fork. Resonance will kill steel just the same as any other metal but it can tolerate limited cyclic strain indefinitely. Think springs. Can't make a spring out of aluminum or brass.

autoracer86 08-17-2023 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 3590083)
Doesn't matter in that application. The vibration mostly comes into play when the part can flex like a tuning fork. Resonance will kill steel just the same as any other metal but it can tolerate limited cyclic strain indefinitely. Think springs. Can't make a spring out of aluminum or brass.

Thanks for the reply. The quote came from a thread about this very application not saying the user is correct just saying

Ultramaroon 08-17-2023 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by autoracer86 (Post 3590085)
Thanks for the reply. The quote came from a thread about this very application not saying the user is correct just saying

No sweat. One would go insane chasing after all the misinformation on this, or any other forum. It's a great discussion.

NoHaveMSG 08-17-2023 02:58 PM

I've been using brass fittings for over 6 years, no issues yet. One of them I milled a bit even on the 1/8bpst side because my transducer probe wouldn't fit through the original hole. If I was using a straight fitting with a long transducer or temp sensor on the timing cover, i'd probably spring for steel just for the safety. As Ultra said, application is key.

You can also just search 1/8pst thread torque and get a generic spec. Most of the time this is good enough.

https://www.engineersedge.com/hardwa...tion_13424.htm

autoracer86 08-17-2023 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG (Post 3590088)
I've been using brass fittings for over 6 years, no issues yet. One of them I milled a bit even on the 1/8bpst side because my transducer probe wouldn't fit through the original hole. If I was using a straight fitting with a long transducer or temp sensor on the timing cover, i'd probably spring for steel just for the safety. As Ultra said, application is key.

You can also just search 1/8pst thread torque and get a generic spec. Most of the time this is good enough.

https://www.engineersedge.com/hardwa...tion_13424.htm

I think you said 9-10ft a few years ago. That was the only thing I could find really lol. I guess most just yolo it.

I will start and 10 and check for leaks.

gen3v8 08-17-2023 03:56 PM

https://ajaxsprings.com/springs/material/brass-springs/

NoHaveMSG 08-17-2023 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by autoracer86 (Post 3590090)
I think you said 9-10ft a few years ago. That was the only thing I could find really lol. I guess most just yolo it.

I will start and 10 and check for leaks.

It should be around 1 ftlb depending on how you seal it. You don't want to get it too tight and damage it or pull threads. I know here at work 1/4npt brass in aluminum we do 18 in-lb. It's tapered so it locks up quick without much torque.

Ultramaroon 08-17-2023 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by gen3v8 (Post 3590093)

smartypants

autoracer86 08-17-2023 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG (Post 3590095)
It should be around 1 ftlb depending on how you seal it. You don't want to get it too tight and damage it or pull threads. I know here at work 1/4npt brass in aluminum we do 18 in-lb. It's tapered so it locks up quick without much torque.

1ft pound ?? Just 1 lol I think 10 is the lowest my tq wrench goes lol

NoHaveMSG 08-18-2023 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by autoracer86 (Post 3590103)
1ft pound ?? Just 1 lol I think 10 is the lowest my tq wrench goes lol

If you go off the chart I linked, it is 2-3 turns past finger tight with sealant. I have in-lb torque wrenches for things like fittings.

EAGLE5 08-18-2023 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 3590098)
smartypants

Nah. Even I knew you were wrong. :p

https://www.americanelements.com/alu...ring-7429-90-5

NoHaveMSG 08-18-2023 02:08 PM

Aluminum and brass springs are very limited use. Brass isn't uncommon as a spring but it has to be heavily alloy'd.

Ultramaroon 08-18-2023 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by EAGLE5 (Post 3590162)
Nah. Even I knew you were wrong. :p

https://www.americanelements.com/alu...ring-7429-90-5

Ok ok... Can't make a typical spring out of aluminum or brass.

https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/me...db/91sofie.jpg


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