PS4 get little greasy after few sessions. May be I need to spray some water between sessions. I think PS4S might handle heat better (my reasoning behind getting them).

Wet traction wasn't my biggest concern with SX2, it was standing water that my local track has. As per for reviews seems like SX2 isn't as good for that.

Yeah standing water is where it gets tricky for sure. As for the heat I am lucky enough that we run open pit lanes so I just come and go as I like haha

You're opposing my recommendation for the SX2 and then suggesting Michelin tires that cost twice as much because they're "fine"? That makes no sense.

The SX2 is "fine". For half the price.

He already has them and maybe I’m wrong but he didn’t want to change them.

Money is not an object, convenience is. I want something that works in rain with standing water on track and I don't want to switch for track days. That's why thinking about 4S.

You kinda have something that sucks at everything. It's like having one pair of shoes for running, work and weddings.

The 4S will get greasy very quickly in the dry and it's not a wet tire, though it's passable. Just get another set of wheels. Swapping wheels is 20 minutes. You'll need to rotate tires anyway.

What a weird group.

Everywhere I've run with or instructed with... if you have a small slide and catch it the correct response is "hell yeah nice work". Not "turn on the nannies".

Maybe if you were repeatedly spinning and getting black flagged that would make sense. But that's odd. Is it a track with zero runoff or something?

I kind of did. I wore my running shoes to office and my own wedding, I had a knee injury so comfort was top priority, at the time I couldn't run, so didn't actually use it for running.

I understand tires make compromise somewhere and given my skills they might be enough. For now 4 get greasy on hot days and in 4th session onwards for me. 4S might be it and last me enough in next season, if I think I need dedicated track tires then I would look. Most Porsche guys were using 4S at track day, so I thought might be good enough for me, still evaluating.

May be I am not there yet, no idea. On car control clinic I was open to doing anything, may be next season as I get better.

I am pad swapping and still using the pilot sport 4 lol. I am just not chasing lap times so it really doesn't matter. Having said that my next upgrade will be new wheels and sticky tires lol.

But the point still stands the 4 and 4s are fine for track usage and if the OP is good with fine who cares :)

There are two kinds of porsche drivers. Really fucking fast ones that race, and really fucking slow ones. There isn't much in between for some reason. Probably because people that can afford to track +$200k cars that are serious about it can afford to race.

I have a video somewhere of a 992 GT3 fucking up my BRZ pb and hours of video of me making GT4s look stupid in the "advanced" group or whatever they call the 2nd to top group (there were 1/3 the number of cars so I went there instead of the top group).

This applies to most HPDE drivers. The middle group are the folks trying to improve, so they briefly pass through being not too slow and not too fast. The other two groups stay too slow or very fast.

And yes, for the slow group street tires are just fine. If you intend to get faster and push the car more and more, you'd need to have your car set up for that or you'd quickly run into limitations (tires get greasy, brakes fade, engine overheats) that would force you to slow down. I prefer to go balls out for a full session without worrying about managing brakes and tires, so even though I don't care about lap times I invested in track pads and tires (ECF). Luckily the endurance racing space is very similar to HPDE in terms of requirements, so going with endurance tires is an easy choice.

Porsche seems to have the biggest dichotomy. They're either running in parallel with the Corvette dads or looking for their third spec boxter championship, lol.



Brakes are a safety item. I dont understand why anyone runs compromise pads. Just swap the damn pads before and after an event.


It also depends on your weather. If it is cool out, you'll do a lot better than if its hot out. Heck, better tires may require more management as we get into winter. I found myself in the sand pit last weekend after the 2500ft straight because I forgot that tires cool off a lot in the straights- and a miata spends a lot of time in the straights. Went from pretty hot to pretty cold and went right off the track in miata.

In case you're wondering, it's exceptionally embarrassing to go into a turn so fast you go STRAIGHT off in a Miata. The track owner was texting me the next day about it :bonk: