New Tecna coilovers from 949 Racing?
 

86'ers,

This is a feeler for a new product that we might develop

We just released Tecnas for the 90-05 Miata. Taiwan made, developed by us, Premium Sport coilover. They have been a huge success so we're looking to use the same formula for the 86.
Link for the Miata kit here

Unlike our pro motorsports level $4100 Xida kit, a potential 86 Tecna kit would be about half the price, steel body, valved more conservatively for street, casual auto-x and HPDE use and include a 5 year warranty, camber plates, rear mounts, camber eccentric inserts, and inverted strut. Tecnas ship fully assembled with starting preload already set. Many of our Miata customers literally just bolt them on and drive without a single adjustment.

The total range of Tecnas would be roughly equivalent to the bottom 60% of Xida range. So if you are building a dedicated track car with lots of downforce, Xidas are probably still the best solution. We would offer a Touring kit with 280lb springs and a Sport kit with about 450 lb springs.

So anybody interested in such Tecnas for the GT/GR?

Our Pro level Xida kit. Tecnas would look pretty much the same but have gray springs instead of the fancy Swifts.

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/atta...1&d=1683839370
https://www.ft86club.com/forums/atta...1&d=1683839370

Looks like these would compete against the RCE SS1 and CSG Flex A. Interested to hear what would make this a better option (not to dis you, genuinely want to learn. Plus, today there is little to differentiate between the SS1 and Flex A, how would the coilover suggestion threads look like with 3 solid options instead of 2?)

More choice is better for us. I really like the choice of spring rates, though.

Will there be different damper valving between the two spring rates?

Edit: Also, will you be offering different versions for 1st and 2nd gens? Rear motion ratio is different which prompted some to suggest different tuning is preferred between the generations.

CSG Flex A - on the plus side, it has platform-specific tuning thanks to CSG's involvement, but it's still a non-inverted short stroke damper, no helper springs, twin tube construction.

RCE, same thing. Platform specific tuning, but a twin tube non-inverted damper. This affects stiffness and durability of the shock. All properly designed high-end aftermarket struts have an inverted damper - Moton, AST, our Xidas to name a few. Tecna would be the only midrange damper to use this construction.

It's also a monotube damper for better performance than the RCE and CSG Flex A.

We will use the same damper valving, but we always tune our dampers with a wider sweep than the competition so it works well with multiple spring rate options. If you're a race team with a shock guy in the trailer who can revalve between sessions it makes sense to do specific valving for different spring rates, or for the very small difference between GT and GR rear motion ratio. But in this case it's better to just create a damping sweep that covers both.

SS1 and Flex A are twin tube, conventional configuration. Tecna would be monotube, inverted strut and cost a few hundred more. Our camber plates are coaxial perch, the others are not. Our plates are also the lowest stack height of any 86 camber plate on the market, so maximum bump travel and adjustability. The struts would also incorporate our built in eccentric adjustment for greater camber range.

The other two are nice products but Tecnas would be a step up in every way. Apples to oranges.

Valving the same for GT & GR but GR get slightly different springs rates, just as we do with Xidas. Our GR customers on Xidas have been stoked on the set up.

Edit: I see that the SS1 ship without rear mounts. The SS2 include rear mounts and slightly firmer valving. That being the case, Tecna would be more comparable to the SS2 but monotube.

Perfect, exactly the details I (and probably others) are looking for! Ain't gonna lie, you make it sound like a great set of coilovers for a sweet-spot price. I'm mighty tempted to pledge to buy when they're available.

Thanks, but I was asking specifically for the 250 vs 400 springs - do they have valving difference?

Edit: now I saw @turbofan's reply. No valving difference as the dampers are designed to support both 250 and 400 spring rates.

Yes please.

Ive been in two cars on the RCE SS1 and actually sold a buddy on a set as the closest thing at the time to "86 technas." They're pretty solid value, and I would definitely call them the current benchmark for a 60/40 dual duty street performance coilover.

To see Technas come over to the 86 chassis would be cool. Lots of saturation to fight against as every single catalog company in existence makes an 86 fitment. Lots of "Noise" to market against, so to speak.

I am already a satisfied Xida customer, so my vote is literally worthless though. :p

Interested in sport touring!!

Sport or Touring actually ;)

Yeah, I'm in the market right now for a set of coilovers in the $1,800-2,500 range and these sound like they would be a nice option. Any idea on ETA?

No idea on ETA. Best guess is 9-12 months. Could be sooner depending on how a few other projects go but we haven't even started prototyping yet. It's just an idea at this point. But we have all of the R&D from our Xida kit and have already done a little bit of preliminary research on it so we know it can be done.

Interested as well.

How different would these perform to xidas with the same spring rates? Say 250lb on both or if you put 400lb springs on xidas and adjusted the knob to match?

What might your target camber for the chips look like?

What a timely thread I was just about to get advice on SS2 vs tarmac 2 with 949racing topmounts. I would love something like the Xida but price is a bit too much for my use case.

I would be very interested in this option depending on cost and time frame.

Tecnas will have about 60% of the total damping range of Xidas. So on the softer settings you wouldn't notice much difference. But if you're running say 255 super200's, 4" splitter and a huge wing out back and are needing the stiffer damping range, Xidas would offer better performance.

TBD. Possibly the same -6° Xida eccentrics are capable of, maybe a bit less.

Very interested! Absolutely loving my CSG Teins so far, but always keeping an eye out for other options. Monotube, inverted strut, and helper spring is very alluring, and a market differentiator at this price point.

Will these be designed around a certain swaybar combination or targeted alignment specs, either in Touring or Sport spring rates? If I recall, the CSG Teins were designed around stock front/rear sway bars (this is what I'm running right now).

Blub, our project car set lap records at every track it visited and ran just a 22mm Perrin front and OEM rear on 265/18's. We found that better shocks, more camber and balanced aero obviated huge sway bars. Short answer, we never recommend a larger rear bar on any 86 anyway, 22mm for most, possibly 24mm for Hoosiers and big downforce. For smaller tires and no downforce, still the same bars or maybe 20mm front.

*starts saving*. 6 to 12 months. Check. Don't forget the "Canada salt" package please.

Good call - will these be streetable through winter and salt without concern?

As durable as any other high quality coilover on the market. Salt destroys everything it touches. One key feature that separates our Xidas from the rest is that they have standard rubberized nylon shock covers. We found they protect the shocks much better than the traditional rubber boot inside of the spring. Tecnas will have these too.

Here is a pic of one of our Miata Xida kits with included covers.

Is there any reason you wouldn't change back to the stock suspension for the winter months?

Being lazy and having enough nice days during winter that driving on stock suspension would be a bummer. For folks that have months on end of snow/slush/salt it might make more sense

Ah, I assumed you were going to be plowing through salt and snow daily. If that were the case I switch them out when doing snow tires.

Specifically engineered coilovers for our platform that'll be nice for the street? Sign me up! I miss being able to carry drinks in the cupholders without spilling.

The BRZ is quickly becoming the daily/occasional track car rather than a dedicated track car, and the monosports aren't the best of compromises. (also, i've tried 3 different sets of endlinks, and they ALL hit the chassis or shock body as soon as I go under -3* camber.

I think probably 25% of the development time with Xidas was getting the front end links dialed in. Proprietary turnbuckles, brackets and casing offset. All of that geometry will be replicated for Tecna.

We had talked to owners of a few other high-end 86 coilovers and a recurring theme was horror stories about the complete lack of engineering for the end links with high camber settings.

I can attest front end links are a pita with this platform [emoji854]

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I'm thinking Ohlins might want a word with you.

Ohlins R&T made in Thailand or Ohlins motorpsorts made in EU?

Just because it says Ohlins on it doesn't mean it's properly done. The R&T line is full of compromises across many platforms.

That doesn't mean it can't perform acceptably. It's just not the proper way to do it.

Ohlins R&T endlink mounting is a joke. With 4 different brand/style endlinks, I have what are basically steering rack lockouts for endlinks.

End of this season I'll be picking up a set of Xidas, wish they were an option before I got these coilovers.

sign me up (for a 1st gen)

Will you take pre orders? Do you recommend the same 17x9 wheel with 255 tires?

When development is complete and the shocks are in production yes, we will be in taking preorders. If I had to guess, shocks shipping to customers is 6 to 10 months away.
Tecnas will work with any wheel/tire that you can put on an 86.

Is this thread the best way to stay up to date on preorders?

Best way to stay in the loop is to get on our mailing list. Just shoot us an email. We send about 3 broadcast emails a year, not 2 a day like some mailing lists :)

Any updates on these suspension?:)

No updates, sorry. Still in development, definitely happening. No ETA.

These are very interesting to me. I'll be shopping coilovers in this price range next season, and most of the current offerings don't appeal to me because they're pretty much all twin tube.

Why not Bilstein? It's a great monotube option in that price range.

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