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KillerBMotorsport 03-24-2023 07:41 AM

Gen 2 Rear Diff Durability
 
Not having any issues except for really enjoying wagging the tail in this thing.

It has me wondering if anyone has experienced and rear diff durability issues?

If you did have a problem or failure, were there any initial symptoms or indications that it was starting to go, or did it just outright fail?

Any thoughts of feedback appreciated!

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alex87f 03-24-2023 09:00 AM

Isn’t it the same part as the first gens? And weren’t the first gen diffs known to be able to handle a lot more power / torque than the stock specs ?

KillerBMotorsport 03-24-2023 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by alex87f (Post 3573917)
Isn’t it the same part as the first gens? And weren’t the first gen diffs known to be able to handle a lot more power / torque than the stock specs ?

That I don't know, we never owned a Gen 1 car.

Being able to handle a lot of power is good, but cornering, or sliding through corners is what I would think would torch a diff.

I see some of the track guys have upgraded the diff. For improved durability, or for improved locking?

Hopefully I'm concerned over nothing :)

dragoontwo 03-24-2023 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by alex87f (Post 3573917)
Isn’t it the same part as the first gens? And weren’t the first gen diffs known to be able to handle a lot more power / torque than the stock specs ?

Yes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KillerBMotorsport (Post 3573921)
That I don't know, we never owned a Gen 1 car.

Being able to handle a lot of power is good, but cornering, or sliding through corners is what I would think would torch a diff.

I see some of the track guys have upgraded the diff. For improved durability, or for improved locking?

Hopefully I'm concerned over nothing :)

It's to change to a true LSD with a clutch type lock up.

nextcar 03-24-2023 11:21 AM

Furthermore it is the same diff that is used in some Lexus vehicles, FWIW...

When I changed the final drive gearing in mine, I spoke at length with a shop that specialized in setting up diffs and they commented how they don't see many of these because "they rarely fail".

KillerBMotorsport 03-24-2023 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by dragoontwo (Post 3573922)
It's to change to a true LSD with a clutch type lock up.

What is the benefit of that?

KillerBMotorsport 03-24-2023 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nextcar (Post 3573929)
When I changed the final drive gearing in mine, I spoke at length with a shop that specialized in setting up diffs and they commented how they don't see many of these because "they rarely fail".

That's good to hear.

DocWalt 03-24-2023 03:03 PM

The second gen diffs seem to overheat more quickly than first gen diffs, no surprise with the extra power.



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Originally Posted by KillerBMotorsport (Post 3573963)
What is the benefit of that?


More tunable than the stock Torsen, you don't have to worry about tuning suspension setup around inside rear wheel lift.

Lelandjt 03-24-2023 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nextcar (Post 3573929)
Furthermore it is the same diff that is used in some Lexus vehicles, FWIW...

When I changed the final drive gearing in mine, I spoke at length with a shop that specialized in setting up diffs and they commented how they don't see many of these because "they rarely fail".

I'm interested in putting taller gearing in my diff (I assume you went the other way) so any info you can give me to track down parts would be useful.

zeroomega 03-24-2023 04:01 PM

Gen1 diff rarely fail, even among track folks. It is a torsen unit, which is robust and mostly worry free. People who upgrade the diff are mostly for changing into clutch type LSD for tunability and better locking behaviors (this type of differentials are actually need more attention and are less robust than the torsen) . IIRC the torsen on gen1 (and probably gen2) has a fixed 1:4 bias ratio and it cannot be changed. If one rear wheel lost contact with the ground (which is common with larger swaybar or higher spring rate coilovers), the torsen LSD effectively becomes an open diff.

vindiesel 03-24-2023 05:29 PM

Clutch kicks/dumps per mileage ratio durability. Who’s tracking?

whataboutbob 03-24-2023 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KillerBMotorsport (Post 3573963)
What is the benefit of that?


Among many other things, the ability to effectively get on throttle earlier on corner exit.

OkieSnuffBox 03-24-2023 06:26 PM

Diffs in general tend to be pretty robust, even with high HP as long as you aren't doing clutch dumps or what can happen on track sometimes where on corner exit you're on throttle and drop a rear wheel off the tarmac. It's the shock loads that tend to really hurt stuff.

Pat 03-24-2023 09:31 PM

The differential on my 2014 BRZ wore out after about 130,000 mi. It wasn't exactly kaput, but I could feel a difference with the car up in the air between the original diff and one in very good condition. It also had about 130 track days on it with fluid changes maybe every 20,000 miles.


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