I guess I don't really notice it.

But we also have people on this forum who didn't like turn signals that have been standard in german cars for decades, and felt the need to to change them out for first gen versions of the signal stalk.

Yes,I will.

Yes.

LOVED every second of my 2013 FRS but it was a hate relationship with the FA. Maybe this time around I'll learn to like it lol.

Haha yep I had a 350z and remembered the tire pressure readout. The display looked like it was from the 90’s haha. Functional though.

One of my other cars uses a wheel speed based tpms system so obviously can’t show individual tire pressures. Not sure how many cars use that kind of system though.

Yea. On my 3rd and love the '22 even more than the previous 86's.

I had a 2013 BRZ. I did a lot of track days with it and it was my favorite car ever. I sold it for a 2018 STi that I tracked for a bunch of years. It was faster around the track but never as much fun. I sold that last year and got a '23 BRZ last month. I'm glad to be back in one! No regrets for sure! I have a track day coming up and I have no doubt it'll be as, or more, fun than my last one!

Sorry to hear that happened to your car OP. It would be a tough decision, I’d be tempted to go an old JDM sports car: S2000, DC2 Type R, EK9 Type R or an S15, the last 2 which are available in AUS. With older ones like these, they’re likely to hold their value or increase in value. So you can enjoy something fun and unique for a while, whilst not losing much money, provided you can get a good one.

Then the sensible side of me would want a new car with a warranty for around the same price, so for me it’d be a 2nd Gen BRZ/GR86 or a GR Yaris. The last one not available in the US.

From your point of view I’d toss up between a DC2 Type R, S2000 or 2nd Gen BRZ/GR86. I hope it works out, whatever decision you make.

Once you start daily driving any older car no matter how "collectable" it is they lose value. Part of what getting a "good" one is would be lower mileage. Start racking up miles and the value goes down. Not a big deal for a weekend toy or cruiser but significant if you are trying to maintain value.
Besides the list you provided are all very expensive in the US so buying newer in something more common makes far more sense for a DD.

The ONLY thing I miss about my S2000 is the top-down driving. I think everything else is executed better in the GR86, with a big emphasis on leg room. I think even the steering is more precise (but then we're comparing a 2001 to a 2023).

Yeah I’m in the fortunate position where my car is a weekend toy, so you’re right, it would come down to how much commuting in the car you do too.

I guess the older cars are from my late 20’s, so a lot of nostalgia there, plus they’re pretty cool. I think the sensible side of me would win though, as I’d probably buy a modern car.

A couple of years ago I got myself a 2008 Boxster (Limited Edition! Orange!) mainly because I never had a convertible before and I wanted to try one while I was still young enough to enjoy it. Last year I decided the top-down experience was worth keeping, but I couldn't justify having two fun cars, so the Hakone went bye bye. Now I'm thinking I'd drive my fun car more often and in more kinds of weather if it was a coupe. So I'm thinking the Boxster may go bye bye and I might get a second gen twin this time around.

Because I hate to see a resource (a car) be underutilized (like sitting under a cover all winter long), I've been trying to find a single vehicle that could do it all. Something that would satisfy my need for occasional large cargo load capability, all-weather driveability and decent long road trip ride comfort along with my want for something fun to drive with good handling and engine performance. Anything that comes close to checking all the boxes, like a Macan GTS or a Stelvio Quadrifoglio, is also quite spendy.

One of the strong arguments for me buying this instead of the other options (Cayman, M2) I considered is how much cheaper it is and its parts are. I won't feel bad putting miles on one of these and you won't feel bad exposing it to winter roads. Something Porsche or BMW would get left in the garage too often.

Had my BRZ for a year and 3 month and I would buy it again. Very nice balance of a daily driver and a fun car.

I agree on costs. Smiles per dollar the twins are tough to beat. But I have a 981 cayman and it’s seen plenty of salt this winter. Gives me an excuse to clean and detail it. Parking cars in the winter, other than extreme locations, is nonsense. These are not collector cars.

Also what’s the point of buying the thing and not using it. What are they doing, saving it for the next owner? Nah I would rather use it up myself and enjoy every mile. I did not buy it to look at it sitting for months.

Sorry to hear about your FR-S... Hope you didn't get hurt in the accident. I also lost my FR-S in an accident on March 8th. Driver rear ended me on the freeway in L.A. rush hour traffic. I just picked up my 23' Trueno Blue GR86 yesterday and I'm loving it so far. I wish you luck on your hunt for a GR86.

i just bought a Gr86 last week after i had owned a 1st gen 2013 86 when they first came out for 4 years, had kids and couldn't afford to run 2 cars at the time so bought AWD and FWD rubbish like Audi S3, Hyundai i30N and a BMW 130i over the last 7 years or so.

I was tossing up between a mx5, waiting for a new Z or the gr86 and ended up going GR86 becasue the mx5 was just too small for me (6'2") and i didn't like you were made to sit on a angle in the new ones with your feet going out towards the edge of the car for the pedals. The z would probably be the only other car i would have got but its a lot more expensive and you are looking at recent build 2nd hand Cayman for the same money.
The car is a bit rough and lacks some quality that the mx5 and other cars have but for the money and sideways action i couldn't go past getting another one.

As someone who's still an avid forum goer like @Tcoat I no longer have my 86 and have had a GR Supra for about a month and half now. Even though this thread is 3 months+ old and you've already made a decision.

Definitely recommend staying with the 86 platform, the gr86 is a much better car than the 13 now. There really isn't anything else rwd and lightweight in that price range of the 86 still that is as fun and nimble other than a miata which being a convertible is a different class almost in practicality.

As far as the platform goes my supra is way more serious a car, every part of it seems super refined and the limits are way higher. Meaning it has gobs of power and torque which sets you up for some high speeds. The 86 you could slide around and have fun in without getting in too much trouble which I kind of miss and even revving it out wouldn't get you to jail time on the street :burnrubber:



If you have the money and were good with the practicality of the 13, you can drop a deposit on a GR86 and wait for one.

I always find it interesting how different people buy cars differently. For example, I still own the same 3 cars I did in 2012 with the FR-S being the newer of them. I'm just now looking at buying a new car.

Others during that time have probably owned (or more likely "borrowed from the bank") more cars in that time than I've owned in my entire adult life.

Neither is good or bad, just different.

Life is too short to not experience a bunch of different vehicles.

I have too many other expensive hobbies to go along with cars. Have to spread the wealth!

Fair enough!

I agree if you find what you want keep it.

Right now I have:

04 WRX wagon with 156k - used for Home Depot runs, mountain biking and kayaks. No payments for 16 years.

16 BRZ with 99k. - my DD for my long highway commute. No payments for 3 years

14 Cayman - weekend play car. I owe about 10k at $500 a month.

The fourth car in a few years will be some kind of muscle car or a C8 when prices come down.

It’s Funny so many people say wow you own 3 cars for yourself. When I ask them how many cars they have owned since 2003, it’s always 4 to 6 cars. Way more than my 3 and they spent way more as well. But they only have one car.

Between MomHawk and I we have:

2004 Chevy Suburban Z71 4x4: Bought in 2012 for $11,000 cash with 60,000 miles on it. Now has about 180K. Family, vacation and weekend heavy hauler. Used it just this past weekend for 40 bags of mulch.

2005 Ford Mustang Pony Convertible (<120,000 miles: MomHawk's car.) She has already said she doesn't care what goes wrong with it we'll fix it. The lady knows what she likes. No payment since 2007.

2013 Scion FR-S: Bought May 2012, no payment since June 2013. 220,000+ miles. My DD and some weekend trips.

I'm at the point now where I have a deposit down on a 2024 Cadillac LYRIQ AWD, and just waiting for an allocation and for it to be built. Haven't decided if it will be a 4th car or replace the Suburban or FR-S. I have a rule I always want one car more than there are drivers at home.

Between my wife and I we have:

2001 Chevy S10, 4cyl 5-speed: most just goes with me when hunting or making a Lowe's/Home Depot run. Also fetches summer/winter tire set from storage. Taught my wife to drive stick on this, which she denies having learned to do. Bought used many years ago, no payment. Something like 130k on the clock, runs like it's friggin' immortal.

2018 Honda Fit: Wife's car. Basically her dream car (I don't get it - it's a nice car but she literally doesn't want anything else and is ANGRY that Honda discontinued it.) This is her DD and our main grocery-getter. If it's too big to fit in the GR86 but small enough to fit in the Fit, this car gets driven. Bought new, 0%, have a few payments left.

2022 GR86: My car. I drive this for everything it can possibly do. If it doesn't require a truck, I'm driving this. Well, unless the weather is nasty (ie. likely to damage the car). When we both go somewhere I drive this as often as I can. Got it at a good rate, but obviously haven't paid it off.


We ended up with the GR86 in automatic because I want the wife to drive it (but it's nearly impossible to get her to do so). Similar to Dadhawk we have a "more cars than drivers" rule, and since she won't practice her stick shift skills if her car is in the shop the GR86 would be the only option. I don't care enough to be bothered, but I may insist on manual in the next "my" car and just say "learn stick or drive rentals". She HATES big cars, and most rentals are huge.

I've been kicking around the idea of getting an Outback or Forester to replace the S10. I don't really need the "truckiness" of the open bed very often, and the 2WD nearly got me stuck last deer season. But it also runs like new, is paid off, has a whole bunch of scratches and stuff so I don't even bother washing it, and it's generally a great truck for a city guy like me. Rationally, it doesn't make sense to trade it for something else, especially not something with a monthly payment.

One thing I will say: the 86 is my second sports car (the first being an '85 Fiero I had in 1999) and it's made me think I'm never going to be happy from now on unless one of the cars I own is at least as beautiful as this car.

EDIT: if they do a Hakone edition of the Gen2, or otherwise offer that kind of green, I'm probably trading in for it. May also do that if Toyota builds a better engine or a mid-gen refresh answers the oiling problem even though I don't track the car.

I've enjoyed my BRZ and it has served it's purpose wonderfully. If the budget is in the 30's - it's hard to beat the BRZ. However, I am selling mine due to missing power, torque, and noise and replacing the car with something in a higher price bracket.

Yep! My budget is theoretically much higher, but I hope all the younger guys understand to buy way below their budget.

Shh dont tell them the true secrets.... you want your cars value to match your annual salary and your car monthly payment to match atleast 75% of your mortgage payment so if you do go bankrupt you have a vehicle to live in. Oh and saving accounts are silly. By the way this is dave ramsey approved.

Can you find that without adding a lot of weight or losing the trunk space? I couldn't. M2 was the closest thing but just too heavy.

Dave Ramsey is.......well, people with half a brain cell know that not all debt is bad and can be powerful tool if used correctly.

So instead of teaching people that, he proselytizes to the lowest common denominator.

For Ramsey advices, I would rather listen Scotty Kilmer. Bought used/cheap and enjoy until last. Rimse and repeat

just like speed limits.

I went with a Lotus Evora GT - so not exactly same category :) Still has back seats, though.

Very sweet. Trunk space was a deal breaker for me. I figured if I couldn't put a bike or bike box in it I wouldn't use it enough. Until that revelation I was seriously considering an Evora, Emira, or Cayman.