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Production Toyota FT-86 Details and Design Previewed by Toyota Sports Vehicle Boss

Motor Report details further information it has picked up from a meeting between Club4AG.com founder Motohide Miwa and Toyota Sports vehicle boss Tetsuya Tada

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It's two years on from the unveiling of the FT-86 concept and still five months until the production version makes its debut in Tokyo, but new details of Toyota's new rear-wheel-drive coupe appear to have come to light.

Information passing around Toyota enthusiast forums this week, if accurate, reveals what many have hoped: the FT-86 may just be the car to herald Toyota's 'second renaissance'.

According to Club4AG.com founder Motohide Miwa, a recent invite-only event, reportedly with Toyota Sports vehicle boss Tetsuya Tada, revealed a number of new details of the new hero car, along with an on-screen unveiling of the production model.

Mechanically, Miwa says that while the engine is the Subaru-derived boxer engine already confirmed, it has been completely worked over at Toyota.

From a revised and re-cast engine block through to Yamaha tuning and Toyota's D-4S direct injection technology, it seems this is absolutely not your Impreza's engine.

Miwa describes a development program focused as much on the enthusiast as the casual buyer.

"The front dash has a beautiful sweeping line, and yet the front corners are recessed into the front window base," Miwa reported to the Club4AG online community.

"I asked why, and Tada-san replied 'It's so you can install a roll cage to regulations for many venues, without cutting up this dash'."

Miwa adds that Tada's team is so focused on weight and handling that buyers should even expect to do without a CD player and navigation. Whether those modern conveniences will appear in the options list, however, is unclear.

On the styling front, Toyota has already confirmed that the recent FT-86 II concept offers the best hint at the production model's look.

According to Miwa, we can expect the concept's 2000GT-inspired C-pillar to carry over, along with "a little more flavour" from the Scion FR-S concept and a sharper rear-end design.

"That's all I can tell you at this point," Miwa adds.

Time will tell as to the accuracy of the report. However when Akio Toyoda was made president of the 74 year-old Toyota Motor Company, the grandson of founder Kiichiro Toyoda, he promised to revitalise the company's entire line-up.

Most importantly, Toyoda also committed his company to developing a new entry-level rear-wheel-drive coupe. With each new report, the FT-86 is looking more tantalising.

And more details from Miwa on the FR-S / FT-86:

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It actually looks better. Take the Original FT86 concept, and add a little more flavor from Scion project's FRS Concept, then smooth down the lines so that it's less tuner looking, and more OEM finesse. Retain the 2000GT C-Pillar, sharpen the tail. And that's how a final version will be. (That's all I can tell you at this point.)

The engine? It's still EJ20 based shape. But Toyota re-casted everything, even down to the engine block with a new design, and with the Yamaha acoustics assigned to make every pulse, beat, and soul of air and vibration to become something to spice performance and tactile feel. Not much is exactly shared with the Subaru engine except the flat four configurations. However, the external mounting points remain the same as the Subaru EJ20, shared for very obvious reasons. That is so YOU can use a Subaru engine to swap if you PREFER the Subaru engine for racing. Why bother with complex fabrication, if Subaru has something you can use from 11 years of WRC?

Everything about this car is BASIC, and PURE.

It's thought out for the aftermarket builders, racing operations, and not without YOU as enthusiast, the grassroots racers, custom builders, show car builders, and parking lot meet goers.

Take for example. The front dash has a beautiful sweeping line, and yet the front corners recessed into the front window base. I asked why... and Tada san replied... "It's so you can install a roll cage to regulations for many venues, without cutting up this dash"

There are many features that go deep into the same thinking... And although such matters of owner-customizations are in place, the vehicle is very refined as is out of the box. Never before, has such low-cost niche-car seen so much research, so much development budget, and resourced with so many talents.

It was met with many challenges of financiers, and business end departments due to the era, and in the wake of many events, from dismal sports car sales in general, Lehman Crisis rendering global spending decrease, and even natural disasters. Large corporations, even Toyota, are not immune to current trends of operating under strict adherence to the speculative finance and rules of the governments and stockholders.
However and despite the unforgiving global economic climate, in the last 5 years of development of the FT86, the best minds converged for this project. Mr.Haraguchi initially to select the key individuals fir for this task, and Tada assigned ultimately, oversee the project. Both are people from MR2 and AE86 projects in the past as well as 2nd Prius and other successful cars with future mind. To add to this, eventually along the process came, the resources and technology brought from the Lexus LFA program, Teams from Subaru including WRC minds of STi, and the whole time, forced and secured by the CEO of Toyota, regarding this as his own favorite development. Akio Toyoda is a proficient and enthusiastic driver and a big fan of this car, often dropping in to test drive it.

Akio has recently shocked the staff on Nurburgring, Testing out of the blue, and drew a whole crowd of officials in panic when he strapped himself into the FT86, and started to chase down a LFA Nur-Edition that was also testing concurrently by a different department. Slipping the tail masterfully around the wet Nurburgring track.... He loves the FT86 as much as we do...

When was the last time you saw a CEO of an auto firm do THAT!!
Well I just did... in a video no less.

Yes, Akio strapped in by TAKATA belts, grinning and jerking at the wheel in quick bursts of counter-steer, cooking the Nurburgring to his own liking, and screaming past the famous Castle down the last straight back to the pits as if he was shouting to the ghosts that live in the old castle. That was an awe-inspiring footage. The usually calm Mr.Toyoda seemed to be as epic as Mel Gibson shouting “FREEDOM”

Mr.Tada continues to travel, mostly in secret cloak, but magically appearing out of the blue in conversations like this afforded to people who can represent the fans and enthusiasm, that is all of us. He is almost like the Jason Bourne of Toyota Sports car development as I see it. Always in close contact with the CEO boss, taking care of his projects covertly at times, but free minded to conjure a car for the future, fending off opinions of conventions and bureaus. Mr.Tada, and his team, logged thousands of miles in the FT86 test mule, and he says it’s STILL not finished... 5 years, and still perfecting it every day, from materials of rubber bushings to see if steering feel can be improved or gas pedal to react more passionately, and details like equipment choices on the interior. In fact, this meeting was immediately after he was shaking it down in Arizona in the massive heat...to see it through that this car will outlast the most abusive of us in what he calls madness. I assume that to be our crazy tendencies to attend silly events where we burn rear tires all day long. But yes, he has that in mind for us…

What if I told you that FT86 has NO CD player, and no Navigation screen? It's entirely possible...

He figured we'd all have smart-phones to tell us where we're going by 2012, and all we need is an FM radio to tell us if the world is ending. And for all other times on the road, he's like us to listen to your favorite iPOD, or the beautiful sounds emanating from the exhaust system specifically designed for this car by the best ears at Yamaha Acoustic Instruments company. All this, while sitting in seats made in collaboration with the best aftermarket and OE racing operations and sports car makers.

Affordable, yes, that is one of the first priorities. However, nothing about the car from what I saw in the photos looked CHEAP... The car may be affordable, but all the key ingredients like simple, functional interior, wrapped in very neat fabrics?

All of this and much more I can't say... All of this and MUCH MUCH more...

If AE86 was the starting point, and you had 30 years of technology change, and tools and toys we enjoy, mash it all into a car with dimensions nearly exactly matching the AE86. And taking NONE of the soul out from the AE86. What do you get?

I call it my dream car. And Club4AG will live on forever...
Because the sports car to enjoy from Toyota is BACK!

Direct link: Club 4AG

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Originally Posted by ft86cbx (Post 50613)

Direct link: Club 4AG

Damn lucky bastard. Sounds awesome though.

Awesome post! I'm glad they are still focusing on light weight. The corner design for the dash sounds cool. Glad Yamaha is working on the engine. I really like what they said about the exterior styling.

It's a good thing he didn't post here. People would spend more time questioning his credentials than basking in the information. Nice find - thanks for sharing.

Ok if you haven't read the link yet please do... when I saw him mention no CD player it made me realize these guys are current with the times and get what most of us have been preaching and craving. All of the hints of information have renewed my enthusiasm.

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Originally Posted by bofa (Post 50619)

All of the hints of information have renewed my enthusiasm.

So a usb/aux will replace the cd player? $ounds like it.

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Originally Posted by bofa (Post 50619)

IMO, that kinda sucks. Sure MP3 players are convenient and I use mine a lot more than a disc, but unless you're listening to FLAC or some other lossless codec you won't be able to reproduce the sound quality of a CD.

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Originally Posted by n2oinferno (Post 50623)

You will need decent speakers in the car too, but i doubt that's on the top list of enthusiast's priorities. I'm an audiophile, but the difference between 320kbps mp3's and flacs is noticeable, but ultimately negligible. I could do without the CD player, I never actually use more than once every few months.

Some days you are just glad to log onto the internet. :D

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Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1 (Post 50626)

Some days you are just glad to log onto the internet. :D

:happy0180: especially how depressing things have been around here lately.

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Originally Posted by n2oinferno (Post 50623)

Pretty sure they would leave a DIN space for an aftermarket stereo if you are so inclined. What audiophile uses the standard stereo anyway?

I think that the takeaway here is that there is a group of people who have seen the production car as well as some of the vital specs, and those people are really excited about the finished product. We need to find these people and make them talk.

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Originally Posted by Sabastian (Post 50629)

They won't because embargo. There are probably so few of them that the leak could easily been found and never be trusted again. Not worth it.

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Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1 (Post 50628)

Pretty sure they would leave a DIN space for an aftermarket stereo if you are so inclined. What audiophile uses the standard stereo anyway?

I don't know... dumping the CD player could allow them to completely change the way the controls are integrated. If anything I think this points to them perhaps not having a din in the dash. There are other alternatives though... maybe a tucked away changer will be an option (or easy DIY project).

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Originally Posted by bofa (Post 50633)

Been so long that I've used a CD I forgot those even existed. :bellyroll:

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Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1 (Post 50636)

Been so long that I've used a CD I forgot those even existed. :bellyroll:

Haha, same here... hell I feel ghetto for still having a third gen nano in my car.

I just hope with all this hype which I'm buying in to doesn't fall short come December.

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"The engine? It's still EJ20 based shape. But Toyota re-casted everything, even down to the engine block with a new design, and with the Yamaha acoustics assigned to make every pulse, beat, and soul of air and vibration to become something to spice performance and tactile feel. Not much is exactly shared with the Subaru engine except the flat four configurations. However, the external mounting points remain the same as the Subaru EJ20, shared for very obvious reasons. That is so YOU can use a Subaru engine to swap if you PREFER the Subaru engine for racing. Why bother with complex fabrication, if Subaru has something you can use from 11 years of WRC?"

So much for the FB20?

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The engine? It's still EJ20 based shape. But Toyota re-casted everything, even down to the engine block with a new design, and with the Yamaha acoustics assigned to make every pulse, beat, and soul of air and vibration to become something to spice performance and tactile feel.

This made me all tingly

The engine being based on the EJ instead of the FB is making me all giddy. Very oversquare, with Yamaha working on the engine. Very good recipe. :happyanim:

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Originally Posted by Praetendere (Post 50646)

The engine being based on the EJ instead of the FB is making me all giddy. Very oversquare, with Yamaha working on the engine. Very good recipe. :happyanim:

he said engine shape lets not jump to conclusions yet! although i remain optimistic :thumbup:

I've owned several Yamaha's and their engines sing pure bliss! Yamaha=:respekt:

No CD player, hopefully this thing can meet the target weight of 2600 or bust! :thanks:

Waiting until December is going to be hard after reading that...damn excited for this car. Hopefully we get more spy shots closer til' then but I can only hope...

i just received a mail from ft86 club and i tough they was news about ft86, but i see only text, and don't understand all, can someone make a little summary of what it said (in french? :D)

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Originally Posted by madfast (Post 50649)

he said engine shape lets not jump to conclusions yet! although i remain optimistic :thumbup:

All I took from that is the mount points are shared - which fits with the next statement about swapping in a subie heart. Does anyone know if the FB20 shares its layout with the EJ series, at least as far as mounts?

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Originally Posted by gt-jerome (Post 50655)

i just received a mail from ft86 club and i tough they was news about ft86, but i see only text, and don't understand all, can someone make a little summary of what it said (in french? :D)

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C'est deux ans après le dévoilement de la FT-86 concept et encore cinq mois, jusqu'à la version de production fait ses débuts à Tokyo, mais de nouveaux détails sur Toyota nouvel arrière-roues motrices coupé semblent avoir mis au jour.

Informations passant autour forums passionné de Toyota cette semaine, si elle est exacte, révèle ce que beaucoup ont espéré: le FT-86 peut être simplement la voiture pour Toyota annoncent «seconde renaissance».

Selon le fondateur Club4AG.com Motohide Miwa, un récent événement sur invitation seulement, aurait des sports véhicule Toyota patron Tada Tetsuya, a révélé un certain nombre de nouveaux détails de la voiture nouveau héros, avec une inauguration à l'écran du modèle de production.

Mécaniquement, Miwa dit que lorsque le moteur est la Subaru dérivés moteur boxer déjà confirmé, il a été entièrement travaillé plus de chez Toyota.

D'un bloc moteur révisé et re-fonte grâce à Yamaha tuning et Toyota D-4S technologie d'injection directe, il semble que ce n'est absolument pas le moteur de votre Impreza.

Miwa décrit un programme de développement axé autant sur le passionné que l'acheteur occasionnel.

«Le tableau de bord avant a une belle ligne de balayage, et pourtant les angles avant sont encastrés dans la base de la fenêtre avant,« Miwa signalé à la communauté Club4AG ligne.

"J'ai demandé pourquoi, et Tada-san a répondu:« C'est donc vous pouvez installer un arceau de sécurité à la réglementation pour les nombreux lieux, sans découpage cet élan. "

Miwa ajoute que l'équipe Tada est tellement concentré sur le poids et la manipulation que les acheteurs devraient même s'attendre à faire sans un lecteur de CD et la navigation. Que ces commodités modernes apparaissent dans la liste des options, cependant, n'est pas claire.

Sur le front de style, Toyota a déjà confirmé que le récent FT-86 Concept II offre le meilleur conseil à chercher le modèle de production.

Selon Miwa, nous pouvons nous attendre 2000GT inspiré du concept C-pilier de reporter, avec «saveur un peu plus" de la Scion FR-S concept et une nette arrière de conception.

"C'est tout ce que je peux vous dire à ce stade", ajoute Miwa.

Le temps nous dira quant à l'exactitude du rapport. Toutefois, lorsque Akio Toyoda est nommé président de la Société 74 ans de Toyota Motor, le petit-fils du fondateur Kiichiro Toyoda, il a promis de relancer l'ensemble de l'entreprise line-up.

Surtout, Toyoda a également engagé son entreprise à développer une nouvelle entrée de gamme à roues arrière motrices coupé. Avec chaque nouveau rapport, le FT-86 ressemble de plus alléchant.

Il semble effectivement mieux. Prenez le FT86 original concept, et ajouter de la saveur un peu plus du concept Scion projet FRS, puis lisser les lignes de sorte que c'est moins syntoniseur recherche, et plus OEM finesse. Conserver la 2000GT pilier C, aiguiser la queue. Et voilà comment une version finale sera. (C'est tout ce que je peux vous dire à ce stade.)

Le moteur? C'est encore la forme basée EJ20. Mais Toyota re-coulé tout, même vers le bas pour le bloc moteur avec un nouveau design, et avec l'acoustique Yamaha assigné pour rendre chaque impulsion, battre, et l'âme de l'air et les vibrations de devenir quelque chose à la performance d'épices et sensation tactile. Pas beaucoup est exactement partagé avec le moteur Subaru, sauf les quatre plates configurations. Cependant, les points de montage externe restent les mêmes que l'EJ20 Subaru, partagée pour des raisons très évidentes. C'est donc vous pouvez utiliser un moteur Subaru à échanger si vous préférez le moteur Subaru pour la course. Pourquoi s'embêter avec la fabrication complexe, si Subaru a quelque chose que vous pouvez utiliser à partir de 11 ans de la CMR?

Tout sur cette voiture est à la base, et pur.

C'est pensé pour les constructeurs de rechange, les opérations de course, et non sans que VOUS enthousiaste, les coureurs de la base, les constructeurs personnalisés, montrent des constructeurs automobiles, et le stationnement répondre spectateurs.

Prenez par exemple. Le tableau de bord avant a une belle ligne de balayage, et pourtant les coins avant encastré dans la base de la fenêtre avant. J'ai demandé pourquoi ... et Tada san a répondu ... «C'est donc vous pouvez installer un arceau de sécurité à la réglementation pour les nombreux lieux, sans couper jusqu'à présent tiret"

Il ya de nombreuses fonctionnalités qui vont en profondeur dans la même pensée ... Et bien que ces questions des propriétaires personnalisations sont en place, le véhicule est très raffiné comme il est sorti de la boîte. Jamais auparavant, a par exemple à faible coût de niche voiture vu tant de recherches, le budget de développement tant, et avec des ressources tant de talents.

Elle a été accueillie avec de nombreux défis de financiers, et des ministères des affaires en raison de la fin de l'ère, et dans le sillage de nombreux événements, à partir lamentable sport ventes de voitures en général, la crise de Lehman rendu diminution des dépenses globales, et même les catastrophes naturelles. Les grandes sociétés, même Toyota, n'échappent pas à la tendance actuelle d'opérer sous le strict respect des règles et de la finance spéculative des gouvernements et des actionnaires.
Cependant et en dépit du climat économique mondial impitoyable, dans les 5 dernières années de développement de l'FT86, les meilleurs esprits convergent pour ce projet. Mr.Haraguchi d'abord de sélectionner les personnes clés de sapin pour cette tâche, et Tada assigné finalement, supervisera le projet. Les deux sont des personnes de MR2 et AE86 projets dans le passé aussi bien que la Prius 2 et d'autres voitures de succès avec l'esprit futur. Pour ajouter à cela, finalement venu au long du processus, les ressources et la technologie apporté par le programme Lexus LFA, y compris les équipes de Subaru WRC esprits des IST, et tout le temps, forcée et garanti par le PDG de Toyota, au sujet de ce que ses propres de développement favori. Akio Toyoda est un pilote compétent et enthousiaste et un grand fan de cette voiture, souvent tomber dans de tester la conduire.

Akio a récemment choqué le personnel sur le Nürburgring, Tests du jour au lendemain, et a attiré une foule de fonctionnaires dans la panique quand il s'est attaché dans le FT86, et a commencé à pourchasser une LFA-Nur Edition qui a aussi été testé en même temps par un autre département. Slipping la queue magistralement autour de la piste mouillée Nurburgring .... Il aime le FT86 autant que nous faisons ...

À quand remonte la dernière fois que vous avez vu un PDG d'une firme d'automobiles faire ça!!
Eh bien je viens de faire ... dans une vidéo pas moins.

Oui, Akio sanglé dans TAKATA par des courroies, grimaçant et saccadés au volant en rafales rapides des tentatives de braquage, la cuisson du Nürburgring à son propre goût, et crier devant le célèbre château en bas du dos dernière ligne droite des stands, comme si il était criant les fantômes qui vivent dans le vieux château. Cela a été une séquence impressionnante. La habituellement calme Mr.Toyoda semblait être aussi épique que Mel Gibson, criant «liberté»

Mr.Tada continue à voyager, surtout en cape secret, mais comme par magie apparaissant à l'improviste dans des conversations comme celle-ci accordée aux personnes qui peuvent représenter les fans et l'enthousiasme, c'est nous tous. Il est presque comme le Bourne Jason de développement de Toyota voiture de sport comme je le vois. Toujours en contact étroit avec le patron PDG, en prenant soin de ses projets en cachette à des reprises, mais sans esprit de conjurer une voiture pour l'avenir, repoussant opinions des conventions et des bureaux. Mr.Tada, et son équipe, connecté des milliers de miles dans le mulet FT86 test, et il dit que c'est toujours pas fini ... 5 ans, et encore le perfectionner chaque jour, à partir de matériaux de coussinets en caoutchouc pour voir si sensation de direction peut être améliorée ou la pédale de gaz à réagir avec plus de passion, et les détails comme le choix d'équipement à l'intérieur. En fait, cette réunion a été immédiatement après qu'il a été le secouant dans l'Arizona dans la chaleur énorme ... pour le voir à travers que cette voiture va survivre à la plus abusives d'entre nous dans ce qu'il appelle la folie. Je suppose que pour être nos tendances fou pour assister à des événements où l'on brûle stupides pneus arrière toute la journée. Mais oui, il a à l'esprit que pour nous ...

Que faire si je vous disais que FT86 a AUCUN lecteur CD, et pas d'écran de navigation? C'est tout à fait possible ...

Il a figuré, nous serions tous les téléphones intelligents de nous dire où nous allons d'ici 2012, et tous nous avons besoin est une radio FM pour nous dire si le monde se termine. Et pour tous les autres temps sur la route, il est comme nous d'écouter sur votre iPod préféré, ou les sons magnifiques émanant du système d'échappement spécialement conçus pour cette voiture par les meilleurs oreilles chez Yamaha Acoustic Instruments entreprise. Tout cela, alors qu'il était assis dans les sièges réalisés en collaboration avec les meilleurs pièces de rechange et des opérations de course OE et les décideurs de voitures de sport.

Abordable, oui, c'est l'une des premières priorités. Toutefois, rien sur la voiture de ce que j'ai vu dans les photos avaient l'air bon marché ... La voiture peut être abordable, mais tous les ingrédients clés comme simple, intérieur fonctionnel, enveloppés dans des tissus très soignée?

Tout cela et bien plus encore, je ne peux pas dire ... Tout cela et bien plus encore ...

Si AE86 a été le point de départ, et vous aviez 30 ans d'évolution technologique, et des outils et des jouets dont nous jouissons, écrasez le tout dans une voiture avec des dimensions presque correspondant exactement à la AE86. Et prenant NONE de l'âme hors de la AE86. Qu'est-ce que vous obtenez?

Je l'appelle ma voiture de rêve. Et Club4AG vivra pour toujours ...
Parce que la voiture de sport de profiter de Toyota est de retour!

i feel all excited for this car again after reading that

This article made me very excited, the anticipation for this car has been renewed. It sounds like they are taking the best of the ft86 and frs and making it one.
If they do it right, this will be the first car I consider buying off a new car lot. (I usually prefer to get a car thats a year old because its still new basically and a ton less money)

Thanks for the post. I wouldnt have seen it unless I was on the mail list.

That bit about the engine being based off the EJ20 is the best news I've heard. I always wondered how'd they'd get anything more than 170hp out of a long-stroke FB20, but with a EJ20 and it's over-squared dimensions that's a lot more promising--after all the EJ204 got 190hp, so 10 more with D4-S isn't out of the realm of possibility, esp with Yamaha working on it.

Hopefully the Scion version doesn't come feature-bloated. I like that it'll have the 2000GT-inspired C-pillar too.

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Originally Posted by iff2mastamatt (Post 50625)

I could go without a cd player too and I don't think the speakers will be an important selling point at least to me. I will be looking more at how they will make the engine sound. That is my experience with my WRX, the speakers are not that good, but the quad exhaust system look and sounds pretty danm good. So that is what I'm looking forward to
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Quality post. Dropped what I was doing at work to read the article.

<3! Cant wait!

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Originally Posted by ft86cbx (Post 50613)

Direct link: Club 4AG

Wow, Moto is super excited :D.

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Originally Posted by Random_Art (Post 50640)

What they said = FB20. The engine is still the same general "shape" as the old one :bellyroll:. Don't go crazy with the speculation, guy.

But what they said about the mounting is obvious that this engine will be a little bit easier to swap with a WRX/STI engine if the money/need/want exists. The wiring/ECU is still going to be the hardest part or so I would speculate. w/e.

wow, this is really great news. I really am against buying a new car, but if this is as awesome as I think it is, I will have to go in and buy one when it comes out. I mean, no CD players, roll cage mounts, driver oriented interior, no nav screen, Yamaha development (SHO anyone?), and constant development at the track? This sounds fuckin sweet. I really cannot wait.

I was eating lunch and dropped my thai curry bowl just so I can read this off my phone. AWESOME

Wow, this almost brought a tear to my eye. I knew this day would come, and i never doubted Toyota from the beggining test mules that this, to me, a 16 year old in which his FAVORITE car in the world, is the AE86 (believe it or not) and that one day i would have it one day, this is just the next big thing. Thank you Toyota from the bottom of my heart! :thanks:

I'll explain why the AE86 is still my favorite car to this day, it has sentimental value to it. Here's the story. Ever since i was 14, i watched initial D, researched the car to hell, spent HOURS of my life just reading about the car, watching videos, hunting it down here in South florida looking for one and the few i found where either overpriced or just not right. So one day, i was still 14, i went to a local parkinglot car show they have every friday, and there it was, a MINT, Original, Red AE86, it was perfect, my heart sank. I approached the car with the biggest smile on my face, and i litterally left my dad to see the other cars and i stood there, just mesmerized, looking at it for what seemed like eternity, and the owner came up to me, he was 16! that alone gave me SO much hope, maybe one day i can have one myself! he said he's seen how i look at it, and told me to sit in it, and what happened next will remain with me forever, i was in a red, mint, AE86 hatchback with everything inside just spotless. I swear to all of you reading this, i started to just...Cry. I had tears running down my cheeks and this feeling that i cant get from any other thing in the world. I was crying, and laughing at the same time, they were tears of pure joy, and i havn't even been old enough to drive it, and the car wasn't even mine.

So i thank you Toyota, for giving this 16 year old a grasp of that moment and a load of hope. :)

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Originally Posted by Allch Chcar (Post 50667)

Wow, Moto is super excited :D.

What they said = FB20. The engine is still the same general "shape" as the old one :bellyroll:. Don't go crazy with the speculation, guy.

But what they said about the mounting is obvious that this engine will be a little bit easier to swap with a WRX/STI engine if the money/need/want exists. The wiring/ECU is still going to be the hardest part or so I would speculate. w/e.

i dunno about that. why would they have to re-cast anything if the FB cast already exists? or if they were the same, then why not just says its the FB block or based on the FB block?

add into this the long standing rumor that the next WRX will use a version of the FT engine and the idea of a whole new EJ based engine is not out of the realm of possibility...

if you look at the FB, its full of economy car ideas and i was scared of what would happen to the FT if they used it. or how much they would have to change to make it a proper sporting engine... but to re-cast the proven EJ engine, to make it up to date, for the FT and possibly the next WRX??? makes perfect sense...

But I'm hella excited *again* for the FT-86. Still hoping that Toyota releases a Toyota, and not a Scion.

That was an awesome read, by and by. Can't wait to see some photos and hear more of what they speak!

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Originally Posted by MiguelAE86 (Post 50669)

cool story bro. :w00t:

you're one of the reasons why this car is a scion. a relatively cheap sports coupe, with enough street cred to still be cool, is going to appeal to a lot of young people just like you.