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prest1ge 08-21-2012 10:43 PM

3,000 mi oil-change
 
I finally brought my car in yesterday for the complimentary 3,000 mi oil-change. My dealership refilled with Subaru brand 0w-20 and changed out the oil filter as well. My last car was bought new in 2005 and lets just say that I don't recall first oil-changes making such a big difference.

I recall complaining about notchy shifting and crude, lawn-mower-like sound quality of the engine. To my suprise, both of these were addressed by the oil-change. The car glides from gear to gear so easily that it doesn't even feel like the same car anymore (in a good way of course). I find myself having to readjust throttle control because of this. My service technician believes the big difference in perceived smoothness is due to the drainage of metal shavings from the engine oil. This leads me to believe that the previous notchiness in shifting that I experienced was not due to the transmission, but rather the engine losing momentum in between gears from dirty oil friction.

The engine also sounds a lot more refined at above 4k RMPS. Whereas it used to sound coarse like a high-powered blender, it now is significantly quieter and more smooth. I also feel less vibrations through the gas pedal now. It's like they filled my car up with AA-grade European butter. :lol:

As silly as this might sound, I now see why reviewers have been raving about the FT86. It took the first oil-change for me to realize that, so to those owners who are still in doubt, BE PATIENT!

NYNOMAD 08-22-2012 10:37 AM

I noticed the same thing on my 1st oil change. Never had an oil change make such a difference. All positive differences!

#87 08-22-2012 10:41 AM

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prest1ge 08-22-2012 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by #87 (Post 395158)
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How many miles do you have on your BRZ?

kwood9000 08-22-2012 02:05 PM

I plan on changing my oil at 1,000 miles...also using a filtermag to reduce circulation of some of the metal shavings.

so26 08-24-2012 12:45 PM

I recently changed my oil at 1600mi with Eneos 0-20w oil and an oem filter and the engine does sound a little less rough but not to the extent that the OP is claiming.

BTW, I was surprised how dark the original oil was when it came out. I guess the detergent additives in the original oil were really doing their job.

Bonburner 08-24-2012 07:08 PM

I check the dip stick and its still pretty light .. when it gets darker I'll change the oil :X
or at 3k

rice_classic 08-24-2012 07:27 PM

Great deal on oil!

I don't stress out as much about oil ($10 super awesome brand vs $3.49 valvoline napa) now that I found Joe Gibbs research. Find a good oil, at a good price and keep it clean by changing the filter often (which is damn easy to do on these cars!)

Joe Gibbs has a great study done on the importance of changing the filter often and the critical role the filter plays in increasing longevity. http://www.joegibbsracingoil.com/tra...h/filters.html

Gibb's opening statement is interesting: (the bold is my emphasis)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Gibbs Racing
Over 70% of all machine wear is realted to contamination, and dirt is the number 1 source of contamination. Reducing the dirt level in your engine reduces the wear in your engine, so what is the best way to keep the dirt level low? Frequent oil filter changes and high quality air filters (not high flow air filters) can remove dirt and prevent dirt from entering the oil system.

Personally, I change the filter in between oil changes. It's cheap, it takes 30 seconds and it plays such a significant role... why not?!

_F-R-S_ 08-24-2012 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by prest1ge (Post 394308)
I finally brought my car in yesterday for the complimentary 3,000 mi oil-change. My dealership refilled with Subaru brand 0w-20 and changed out the oil filter as well. My last car was bought new in 2005 and lets just say that I don't recall first oil-changes making such a big difference.

I recall complaining about notchy shifting and crude, lawn-mower-like sound quality of the engine. To my suprise, both of these were addressed by the oil-change. The car glides from gear to gear so easily that it doesn't even feel like the same car anymore (in a good way of course). I find myself having to readjust throttle control because of this. My service technician believes the big difference in perceived smoothness is due to the drainage of metal shavings from the engine oil. This leads me to believe that the previous notchiness in shifting that I experienced was not due to the transmission, but rather the engine losing momentum in between gears from dirty oil friction.

The engine also sounds a lot more refined at above 4k RMPS. Whereas it used to sound coarse like a high-powered blender, it now is significantly quieter and more smooth. I also feel less vibrations through the gas pedal now. It's like they filled my car up with AA-grade European butter. :lol:

As silly as this might sound, I now see why reviewers have been raving about the FT86. It took the first oil-change for me to realize that, so to those owners who are still in doubt, BE PATIENT!

That brought tears to my eyes :cry:

SLEEPER WRX 08-26-2012 12:33 AM

Changed the oil at 1K miles
Seriously - 0w20 pours like water!
I put new 0w20 in but . . .
I think next oil change will have 0w30

Plxdjake89 08-26-2012 05:47 PM

Just did my first oil change at 3k a second ago. I don't believe I hear the chirp anymore (I only drove for like 15 minutes....spirited ;)) and the engine does sound noticeably quieter.

Bonburner 08-26-2012 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Plxdjake89 (Post 403846)
Just did my first oil change at 3k a second ago. I don't believe I hear the chirp anymore (I only drove for like 15 minutes....spirited ;)) and the engine does sound noticeably quieter.

that kind of makes me sad .. I like Hearing my engine :/
although I'm happy the chirping goes away ~

Plxdjake89 08-26-2012 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bonburner (Post 403968)
that kind of makes me sad .. I like Hearing my engine :/
although I'm happy the chirping goes away ~

Lol, scratch the chirp. I was handling this b**** for a sec and when I came to a stop...it was back :bonk:

Bonburner 08-26-2012 08:07 PM

haha, oh well

gmookher 09-11-2012 08:25 AM

you guys waited to 3750 to get an oil change?

the chirping is from gas system, noting to do with oil change

F3dzo 09-11-2012 11:34 AM

Can't someone invent a heat/sound blanket to put over the pump to keep that little shit quiet?

travace 09-11-2012 11:39 AM

subaru does it at 3k? scion/toyota wont till 7500 :/

Eurasianman 09-11-2012 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by travace (Post 433714)
subaru does it at 3k? scion/toyota wont till 7500 :/

Probably why some people are hesitant to buy an FR-S and/or take it to a Scion dealership. It's mainly a Subaru engine. And no doubt Toyota dealerships will treat the car like any other Toyota vehicle on their lot :bonk:

Turbowned 09-11-2012 11:52 AM

If you're nervous about waiting for the first scheduled oil change to change out your oil after the break-in, then by all means get it done early! In the Subaru owner's manuals I've looked at, there is a 3,000 mile oil change scheduled for every car, and then after that (with synthetic) it's every 7,500 miles thereafter. I change the conventional oil in my MR2 every 5,000 miles which is the standard for late model Toyotas, although it's half of what is recommended in the owner's manual, believe it or not! The O.M. states every 10,000 miles! I'm definitely not comfortable waiting that long.\

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Originally Posted by SLEEPER WRX (Post 402948)
Changed the oil at 1K miles
Seriously - 0w20 pours like water!
I put new 0w20 in but . . .
I think next oil change will have 0w30

Why? Do you think the manufacturer doesn't know what's best for the engine? You're just reducing efficiency by putting heavier weight oil in.

gmookher 09-11-2012 12:04 PM

1500 for moi

Zaggeron 09-11-2012 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Turbowned (Post 433739)
If you're nervous about waiting for the first scheduled oil change to change out your oil after the break-in, then by all means get it done early! In the Subaru owner's manuals I've looked at, there is a 3,000 mile oil change scheduled for every car, and then after that (with synthetic) it's every 7,500 miles thereafter.

Note that although there is a 3000 mile column, there is no scheduled action for the BRZ during that interval. According to the owner's manual the first scheduled oil change is at 7500 miles or 7.5 months.

Subaru is springing for my first two years of oil changes, but only at the factory specified intervals -- so I get three 7500, 1500, and 2250.

It's a controversial topic as to whether you need to have a first oil change after 1k or 3k miles or something.

Sportsguy83 09-11-2012 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Zaggeron (Post 433844)
Note that although there is a 3000 mile column, there is no scheduled action for the BRZ during that interval. According to the owner's manual the first scheduled oil change is at 7500 miles or 7.5 months.

Subaru is springing for my first two years of oil changes, but only at the factory specified intervals -- so I get three 7500, 1500, and 2250.

It's a controversial topic as to whether you need to have a first oil change after 1k or 3k miles or something.

I got mine changed at a Subaru dealer with the same maintenance plan, and they did it at 3K no questions asked, and will do four.


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Mcdj18 09-13-2012 03:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by travace (Post 433714)
subaru does it at 3k? scion/toyota wont till 7500 :/

I brought my scion in for an oil change at 3400. Dealer said it was too early, but if I wanted it they would do it no problem.

Surprisingly the car feels slower now. Off the line and in between gear shifts it doesn't feel like it has as much power as before. Kind-of worried they didn't put the right oil in the car. Is there any way to check??

artizhay 09-13-2012 04:39 AM

Ah glad to know some of that engine noise will be gone in another 850 miles...lol. I imagine some of that is the tranny though, going from an automatic to a manual and trying to remember to shift when braking, etc. Mind blowing shit man. Caught myself slowing to about 5 mph in 3rd gear today LOL. But how the hell would I know. Anyway, maybe another month and a half. AND I can finally take it over 4k RPMs. Will be all-around a good time indeed. :)

firestorm frs 10-25-2012 04:32 PM

for those that the scion/toyota dealers said they wont change it till 7500, I made them change mine at 2500. They were unaware that the car had a break in period too. I requested my oil be changed and that it be covered under my 2 yr free oil plan. it can be done just demand it!

DanoFA20 10-28-2012 06:26 PM

what is recommended break in milage?

sf86 10-28-2012 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DanoFA20 (Post 525110)
what is recommended break in milage?

1000 Miles

DanoFA20 10-28-2012 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sf86 (Post 525224)
1000 Miles

thanks dude getting mine tomorrow if this hurricane doesnt hit us too hard im in NY we are expected to get 60-70mph winds this has been the longest weekend ever lol

whaap 10-28-2012 08:53 PM

I changed my FR-S at 1,000 miles. I'll let the dealership do the next one.

And since they recommend 0-20 I figure they're smarter about this than I am. I'll use 0-20.

sf86 10-28-2012 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DanoFA20 (Post 525263)
thanks dude getting mine tomorrow if this hurricane doesnt hit us too hard im in NY we are expected to get 60-70mph winds this has been the longest weekend ever lol

Stay safe. Hope everything goes well for you guys there and Sandy turns right to the ocean instead of going left to mainland. :)

mikeg7827 10-28-2012 10:45 PM

:paddle:
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Originally Posted by kwood9000 (Post 395597)
I plan on changing my oil at 1,000 miles...also using a filtermag to reduce circulation of some of the metal shavings.


why did the toyota service shop say that the "worry of shavings" was nothing to fear due to the aluminum block or something and that shavings wont occur???

i got my FRS 1st oil change at exactly 2500 miles on the ODO

they had a problem giving me a receipt since they said i was scheduled for my first oil change at 7500 miles...

kwood9000 10-28-2012 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeg7827 (Post 525452)
:paddle:


why did the toyota service shop say that the "worry of shavings" was nothing to fear due to the aluminum block or something and that shavings wont occur???

i got my FRS 1st oil change at exactly 2500 miles on the ODO

they had a problem giving me a receipt since they said i was scheduled for my first oil change at 7500 miles...

Doesn't make sense. Some parts are aluminum, some aren't. Regardless you'll get metal material circulating in the oil as the engine is run, especially during break in. Some metal will be trapped by the oil filter and some of the really small stuff won't be. Someone on the forum had a picture of metal shavings left in the oil after 1,000 miles, I believe.

Why would they not give you a receipt? I would get one to keep track of maintenance.

DanoFA20 10-29-2012 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by sf86 (Post 525426)
Stay safe. Hope everything goes well for you guys there and Sandy turns right to the ocean instead of going left to mainland. :)

i hope that bitch goes away too. she doesnt look nice :thumbdown:

hopefully i can get my new FRS and have a beer. but most likely no time for beer ill be busy driving her around. :happy0180:

DanoFA20 10-29-2012 12:17 AM

Should I keep the RPM's below 4000 for the first 1000 miles as well? i know a good break in could be the difference between having the car be great to 120,000 miles , or to 300,000 miles.

Ingen 10-29-2012 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by DanoFA20 (Post 525642)
Should I keep the RPM's below 4000 for the first 1000 miles as well? i know a good break in could be the difference between having the car be great to 120,000 miles , or to 300,000 miles.

As best you can.

I might have went over a time or two, but don't beat on it too hard. I did a spirited break in period, basically driving it how I would once it was broken in except shifting sooner. My gas mileage average has steadily climbed from about 25 when I first got it to about 28.5 right now. The car drives and sounds great.

Now, take that with a grain of salt... I only have 1050 miles on it :D just in time for this big stupid storm. But my break in only took 10 days, woo!

gonzo 10-29-2012 04:52 PM

can you have the free oil change at any toyota dealer or only the one you purchased the vehicle from?

DanoFA20 10-29-2012 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Ingen (Post 525986)
As best you can.

I might have went over a time or two, but don't beat on it too hard. I did a spirited break in period, basically driving it how I would once it was broken in except shifting sooner. My gas mileage average has steadily climbed from about 25 when I first got it to about 28.5 right now. The car drives and sounds great.

Now, take that with a grain of salt... I only have 1050 miles on it :D just in time for this big stupid storm. But my break in only took 10 days, woo!

Thanks a lot man helps a lot i do want this car to last as long as possible im going to try to hold onto it for many years. :-) so id like to do it the right way.:thumbup:

Ingen 10-29-2012 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DanoFA20 (Post 526969)
Thanks a lot man helps a lot i do want this car to last as long as possible im going to try to hold onto it for many years. :-) so id like to do it the right way.:thumbup:

I revved it up to about 5500 today on an off ramp (downshifted to 3rd so I could play a little) and it pulls HARD. Sounds like a million bucks. I'm thrilled with how my break in went. I'm also going to stick a bunch of neodymium magnets to the oil filter in a cheap version of the filter mag. The filter mag is a great idea, but at 80 bucks... dang.

I found some 3/4" disc magnets on amazon for cheap, and a few 1/2" as well.

DanoFA20 10-29-2012 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ingen (Post 527070)
I revved it up to about 5500 today on an off ramp (downshifted to 3rd so I could play a little) and it pulls HARD. Sounds like a million bucks. I'm thrilled with how my break in went. I'm also going to stick a bunch of neodymium magnets to the oil filter in a cheap version of the filter mag. The filter mag is a great idea, but at 80 bucks... dang.

I found some 3/4" disc magnets on amazon for cheap, and a few 1/2" as well.

to grab the metal flakes? good idea. i may look into doing this if it gets wonderful results.


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