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GTwice 12-20-2022 05:04 AM

Trouble shifting without rev-matching
 
I've read quite a lot about our cars' transmissions and shifting, but my problem seems to be slightly different.

Basically, I'm having trouble shifting gears at speed when not rev-matching. Almost no problems shifting into 1st or any other gear when stopped, but gets progressively more difficult while driving until 5th and 6th.
I had the trans and clutch fluids replaced (no noticeable difference), I am depressing the pedal fully until the bump stop. There is no grinding, and with rev-matching, 2nd, 3rd and 4th click in very smoothly, while 5th and 6th even then need a tiny bit of force.

Any ideas? Is there anything I can check, or straight to the shop for a full clutch kit replacement? 60k miles on the clock, probably on the original clutch.

Ultramaroon 12-20-2022 12:30 PM

How far can you lift your foot before the clutch begins to engage?

GTwice 12-20-2022 12:40 PM

About 1/4 of the total pedal travel.

Ultramaroon 12-20-2022 12:46 PM

And just upshifting is difficult? Fifth and sixth require a bit of patience. No surprise there.

blsfrs 12-20-2022 01:23 PM

How long has this problem been developing? Any noise or vibration when you depress the clutch pedal? Does it go into reverse without grinding?

terboboost 12-20-2022 01:51 PM

Trans fluid is incredibly important. What type is it filled with?

When you say rev matching, you mean just waiting a moment for the revs to drop before it slides into gear?

NoHaveMSG 12-20-2022 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by terboboost (Post 3561096)
Trans fluid is incredibly important. What type is it filled with?

When you say rev matching, you mean just waiting a moment for the revs to drop before it slides into gear?

Rev matching is the opposite of what you are describing. Blipping the throttle between gears.

terboboost 12-20-2022 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG (Post 3561097)
Rev matching is the opposite of what you are describing. Blipping the throttle between gears.

I know, hence my confusion. He's talking about upshifting, you don't blip the throttle on upshift. So "rev matching" must mean just letting the revs fall a bit in between shifts. But this is why I'm asking for clarification.

NoHaveMSG 12-20-2022 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by terboboost (Post 3561100)
I know, hence my confusion. He's talking about upshifting, you don't blip the throttle on upshift. So "rev matching" must mean just letting the revs fall a bit in between shifts. But this is why I'm asking for clarification.

I'm reading it as he's talking about up and down.

GTwice 12-20-2022 03:33 PM

Both up and down. I know, when you say rev-matching everyone thinks only of downshifts, but I meant in general - if the revs don't match the gear I want to shift into.

NoHaveMSG 12-20-2022 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GTwice (Post 3561126)
Both up and down. I know, when you say rev-matching everyone thinks only of downshifts, but I meant in general - if the revs don't match the gear I want to shift into.

When you say rev matching, what are you doing for upshifts?

As Ultra said, 5th and 6th you have to be a bit more patient with shifting up and is normal.

GTwice 12-20-2022 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG (Post 3561135)
When you say rev matching, what are you doing for upshifts?

As Ultra said, 5th and 6th you have to be a bit more patient with shifting up and is normal.


I mean that if I upshift too fast or too slow, then as you write - "I need to be a bit more patient". To be honest I'm surprised, because many of you say that's somewhat normal in a Toybaru. I've probably owned 10 MT cars in my life, driven another 10 or 20 different ones, and that's the first time I'm encountering such issue.

NoHaveMSG 12-20-2022 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GTwice (Post 3561140)
I mean that if I upshift too fast or too slow, then as you write - "I need to be a bit more patient". To be honest I'm surprised, because many of you say that's somewhat normal in a Toybaru. I've probably owned 10 MT cars in my life, driven another 10 or 20 different ones, and that's the first time I'm encountering such issue.

It's weird and took me a bit to get used to as well. In my car I can bang it up 1-4 no problem. 5th I have to be much more deliberate with, I can go slow as I want into 5th but I can't go up into 5th too hard or it's not happy. Downshifts with rev matching at speed is normal/habit for me.

Fluid makes a big difference in this car as already mentioned. Do you know what they filled it with?

Ultramaroon 12-20-2022 05:37 PM

Syncro clutches are undersized in this transmission. I also tend to double-clutch my downshifts to avoid having to lean into the gearshift.

Now... It's quite possible that something is wrong so, grain of salt with all this.


edit: How long have you had the car? It really is the fussiest (non-industrial) transmission I've ever operated.


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