Originally Posted by Sasquachulator (Post 3584247)

MT's in the past had purpose, like better Fuel economy than automatics and you were able to extract max power from an engines powerband. It has no benefits nowadays as autos are much better at those now.

Originally Posted by bcj (Post 3584251)

Electrified driver seat ;)

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator (Post 3584247)

Does it need to have a mechanical advantage? Perhaps all it needs to be is "its an MT yo" since nowadays damn near everything's more efficient than an MT.

CVT's got fake gearing so it felt more "normal" and it benefits no one because of it (or from what i heard the "fake" gears actually detract performance and fuel efficiency).

MT's in the past had purpose, like better Fuel economy than automatics and you were able to extract max power from an engines powerband. It has no benefits nowadays as autos are much better at those now.

EV's are pretty much "press gas to go" and they're super efficient at it. So basically the purpose of an MT in this era would really just be "its an MT yo!"
And perhaps that's all its needed to be, and in this case the entire MT experience is what Toyoda wants rather than just be a video game.

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator (Post 3584247)

Does it need to have a mechanical advantage? Perhaps all it needs to be is "its an MT yo" since nowadays damn near everything's more efficient than an MT.

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator (Post 3584247)

CVT's got fake gearing so it felt more "normal" and it benefits no one because of it (or from what i heard the "fake" gears actually detract performance and fuel efficiency).

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator (Post 3584247)

EV's are pretty much "press gas to go" and they're super efficient at it. So basically the purpose of an MT in this era would really just be "its an MT yo!"
And perhaps that's all its needed to be, and in this case the entire MT experience is what Toyoda wants rather than just be a video game.

Originally Posted by Dadhawk (Post 3584228)

Ugm, they do, which is why the MT is all but dead.

Frankly I don't see the point of making the car more mechanically complicated for no specific reason. I love a MT and there are advantages to a MT in ICE, but there are none in an EV. At least none that can't be overcome otherwise.

Gearing on an EV really only helps in increasing the top end speed.

Besides the "because it's an MT, yo" argument, what are the true mechanical advantages?

Originally Posted by soundman98 (Post 3584294)

there simply isn't.

even in the 86, there's really no mechanical advantage to the manual over the automatic. the automatic with the paddles does everything that the manual technically does. there's absolutely no reason for the clutch other than driver engagement.

Originally Posted by FR-S2GT86 (Post 3584324)

I've never had to rebuild a transmission, but I could probably pull off rebuilding a M/T in my own garage with the right tools.

Originally Posted by Futaba (Post 3584342)

While I'm not averse to the idea of an MT EV, changing gears manually on an electric motor doesn't sound like it would have the same sort of feel or connection as doing so with an ICE, and i'd imagine one of the biggest reasons why EV are automatic when they have a transmission system is because they by their very nature have to stretch every last mile out of the battery, and regenerate battery whenever possible, both things that would be impacted pretty hugely by a manual transmission.